I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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The bottom line is that the guy who made it possible for right wing extremists to interfere in the private health decisions of women is running again for president. He thinks that if he lies about abortion and what most Americans wanted before Roe was overturned, that people will forget that he lied to them about a pandemic and then tried to overthrow election results after he lost.
Not attending to a new born living baby is homicide neglect.
That's wasn't the point. The point was to expose yourvattempt to say Trump said a lie that he completely made up all in his own head.
Yes Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, Delaware, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, Washington DC, all have No restrictions on abortion.
you made the claim that I said something, you provide the evidence. You won't.
Depend on how you look at it. 2020 riots caused more damage, more deaths, more police injury. lating months.
however, because the capital riot happended to a government building, where a official process was taking place makes it worse? Right?
Well some people who lost family members lost small businesses might feel that the 2020 riots were worse.
You know?. It's perfectly fine to burn loot kill and assult people as long as it not in a government building. Where elite politicians work.
The old "but BLM riots were worse". We all know this. Yawn.
Crusades said:
If the states with no abortion restictions would not allow a later pregnancy abortion then what's the issue with applying restrictions? Can you answer? Most democrats will not. I'm not talking about "abortion after birth".
You mentioned Washington, so that was the first state I checked and they have a limit up to the baby being "viable" and there isn't a general agreement on that. But the answer to your question is that probably most democrats probably favor limits on abortion but just a bit longer than 6 weeks or a total ban.
I don't know of any studies, but I would venture a guess that majority of Democrats are not in favor of on-demand abortion to term. Most of us would favor a limit but that's just a guess.
Perhaps Dems are blowing it out of proportion but this is what Trump said.
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"They support abortion up to and even beyond the ninth month,” Trump said. "The concept of having an abortion in the later months, and even execution after birth. And that's exactly what it is. The baby is born, the baby is executed after birth is unacceptable, and almost everyone agrees with that.”
I think the abortion issue is fading a bit as the overturning of Roe v Wade fades to memory. But here's an interesting poll from a couple of years ago.
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More Americans prefer the Democratic Party's approach to abortion policy than prefer the Republican approach, and two out of five Republicans do not favor their own party's position on the issue, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found.
"ABC is the worst network in terms of fairness,” Trump said during a Fox News town hall with Sean Hannity recently. "They're very nasty, and I think a lot of people are going to be watching to see how nasty and how unfair they are.”
"Do you think ABC will give Kamala every question beforehand? We already know her liberal media cronies would do ANYTHING to keep her from getting embarrassed the same way Biden was!” Trump said in a fundraising appeal. "I'm coming into this at a disadvantage — taking on Crooked Kamala AND the Fake News — but with you in my ear, I'm NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING!”
I'm trying, probably too hard to find something good to say about Trump. Don't know why but probably all I post is his nonsense. But even then I find "for all the harm Trump did......
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For all the harm that Trump did, and the many mistakes he made, the Trump presidency had at least five positive outcomes.
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Tweety said:
The old "but BLM riots were worse". Yawn.
You mentioned Washington, so that was the first state I checked and they have a limit up to the baby being "viable" and there isn't a general agreement on that. But the answer to your question is that probably most democrats probably favor limits on abortion but just a bit longer than 6 weeks or a total ban.
I don't know of any studies, but I would venture a guess that majority of Democrats are not in favor of on-demand abortion to term. Most of us would favor a limit but that's just a guess.
Perhaps Dems are blowing it out of proportion but this is what Trump said.
I think the abortion issue is fading a bit as the overturning of Roe v Wade fades to memory. But here's an interesting poll from a couple of years ago.
Maybe if Trump had said this type of thing once or maybe twice it would be blowing out of proportion. This is a lie that Trump is repeating with increasing frequency in a attempt to manipulate the emotions of his voters.
I'm trying, probably too hard to find something good to say about Trump. Don't know why but probably all I post is his nonsense. But even then I find "for all the harm Trump did......
First, Trump's America First campaign, which threatened NATO and alienated our allies did not bring back common sense, balance, and autonomy to our foreign policy.
Trump was openly hostile to the European Union, which he regarded as a competitor. He frequently threatened to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), an organization formed after World War II to create a mutual defense alliance against the Soviet Union (and, after 1991, Russia), arguing that providing military defense for Western Europe was too expensive. In June 2017, Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Paris Agreement to combat climate change; Joe Biden reversed that decision early in his presidency. In the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the World Health Organization, which he accused of absolving China from responsibility for the pandemic. As with the Paris Accords, the Biden administration immediately rejoined the World Health Organization in January 2021.
Second; fascists always attack institutions or authority which might limit or contradict them. They must dismantle and remake the political party apparatus when they gain political control of a party so that their interests and not party interests are prioritized. After they gain control of a party they attack and discredit the government institutions which might provide guardrails to their corrupt behavior.
Third, Trump simply manipulated groups of people as any good propagandist does. That's not a good thing that he did. He is an elitist who is lying to the working class to get what he wants.
Fourth, Trump's own aberrant and corrupt behavior and language had journalists writing and reporting about him. The negative attention is all because of him and his efforts and activities. Trump is not a victim of anything except his own terrible judgment.
Fifth; Trump's racist policy and rhetoric didn't elevate discussion about immigration, it poisoned the minds of millions of people and intentionally created animus and division.
Maybe the author was being sort of tongue in cheek.
I don't know of any studies, but I would venture a guess that majority of Democrats are not in favor of on-demand abortion to term. Most of us would favor a limit but that's just a guess.
I don't believe I've ever heard a Democrat say it. We've had discussions here in which I've practically begged for opinions on up to what point should abortions be allowed. All I got were deflective comments or that it should be between patient and doctor and late term abortions don't happen.
I don't believe I've ever heard a Democrat say it. We've had discussions here in which I've practically begged for opinions on up to what point should abortions be allowed. All I got were deflective comments or that it should be between patient and doctor and late term abortions don't happen.
Fair enough. In conversations I've had with like-minded friends they have said they are not supportive of abortion on demand for any reason up to 9 months. If there are health issues then that's another story and that's between them and their medical team.
But I'm not sure an amount was given when they would want abortions to stop. I think we here in Florida were pretty okay with the limit prior to the six-week limit. Although we bickered on some of the rules like having an ultrasound, having two doctors visits, etc.
I remember agreeing that late term abortions happen because some define them at 24 weeks. But the final weeks, I think it's rare.
I glossed over a lot of that discussion as I don't like going down the abortion rabbit hole other than offering an opinion or two here and there.
I don't believe I've ever heard a Democrat say it. We've had discussions here in which I've practically begged for opinions on up to what point should abortions be allowed. All I got were deflective comments or that it should be between patient and doctor and late term abortions don't happen.
Baloney. What we said was that most pro-choice people were satisfied with the Roe v Wade guideline. I remember being quite specific in my answer, too. Perhaps not being a democrat means I don't count.
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Beerman said:
I don't believe I've ever heard a Democrat say it. We've had discussions here in which I've practically begged for opinions on up to what point should abortions be allowed. All I got were deflective comments or that it should be between patient and doctor and late term abortions don't happen.
Maybe you recall that my opinion is that abortion is a health decision that involves the woman and her physician. I agree with the Alaska law which does not limit the woman's right to privacy in her medical decisions because it involves her uterus.
"Late term abortions" is imprecise language used to get people excited about something that happens infrequently and often because of artificial barriers imposed upon women of limited financial means.
What doesn't happen is what Trump is saying; that women and physicians are killing newborns after birth.
Maybe you recall that my opinion is that abortion is a health decision that involves the woman and her physician. I agree with the Alaska law which does not limit the woman's right to privacy in her medical decisions because it involves her uterus.
"Late term abortions" is imprecise language used to get people excited about something that happens infrequently and often because of artificial barriers imposed upon women of limited financial means.
What doesn't happen is what Trump is saying; that women and physicians are killing newborns after birth.
In other words, you believe abortions should be allowed at any point without restrictions.
I am not a Democrat, but I believe the decision to have an abortion is protected health information between a woman and her provider. I do not think the state has any business involving itself in this. I cannot believe that any licensed, ethical provider is going to perform an abortion on a woman with a viable fetus and not do everything to save its life. That is of course, unless the fetus has a condition that is not compatible with life. In that case, after discussion with the mother/parents, the decision can be made to allow natural death.
I live in the state of Washington, so this is similar to the law.
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Beerman said:
In other words, you believe abortions should be allowed at any point without restrictions.
Isn't that how it works when politicians and government officials aren't making laws about which medical procedures or treatments Americans can choose and when they can choose them? I trust women and their doctors to make those decisions without input from politicians.
Trump apparently thinks that women are choosing to kill their newborns and doctors are going along with it. At least he repeats that nonsense as if he believes it and his fans defend it.
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The bottom line is that the guy who made it possible for right wing extremists to interfere in the private health decisions of women is running again for president. He thinks that if he lies about abortion and what most Americans wanted before Roe was overturned, that people will forget that he lied to them about a pandemic and then tried to overthrow election results after he lost.