I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
I would be too biased to serve on a jury to judge Trump and I would be honest about it. I wouldn't have to lie.
We've already talked about what he said about the constitution. I also get that people are very concerned, to the point of hitting the streets about abortion (and yes stopping at six weeks someone that wants to end their pregnancy is forced pregnancy), and I've read articles comparing him and his agenda and followers to Nazi Germany.
I live in a decidedly Republican state and I'm still getting used to your way of posting but isn't "spun into a hysteria" a bit much? I do know the "our Democracy is a stake" is a bit much of a campaign but is it spinning people into a hysteria in Democrat states. I'm in decidedly Republican Florida but live in a hugely Democrat area and I don't see that.
I'm trying to do a deeper dive and am not finding any hysteria or any information on the idea of him putting women in forced pregnancy camps, so if you don't mind elaborating.
There was something in these threads about forced pregnancy/camps and relation to Handmaid's Tale. I'll elaborate later.
Yes spun into hysteria is too much. I am responsible for my own use of language but it often resembles the language and tone of the content I am replying too.
If you notice, there is a difference in the way I speak to you than others.
I am guilty if using and throwing the same logic and tone at others.
On the other hand, anyone who truly thinks that Trump is the 2nd coming of a Nazi regime is on the hysterical side.
I guess I can say in my social interactions with other Republicans that no one refers to immigrants as "dirty" and "taking over merika " like Heron said nor do I see racism or conspiracy theories.
I've read things comparing Biden to Nazis and Harris as communist. Anyone can cherry pick an idea or a policy and find something simular to Nazi or communism. Same with mental illness.
Trump is not a Nazi, Biden isn't a Nazi and Harris is not a communist. All BS.
Yes. Not allowing a abortion at 6 weeks is technically forcing the woman to be pregnant. Same as no limit/restrictions on abortion in some states technically means these states allow abortion up to birth.
You are practiced at hyperbole and inflated nonsensical right wing posts and now you are projecting that onto others, again. I mean, it's nonsense to minimize the events of January 6th, yet you do. Should I present more examples?
We know what is included with narcissism, it's you who seems to struggle identifying the very obvious symptoms of pathologic narcissism in a public figure that you like. It's amusing that the member who can't identify the obvious symptoms of narcissism is narcissistic enough to try to explain the symptoms to the people pointing them out to her.
Do you expect us to take you seriously? I mean you recently tried to argue that Trump's claims about abortion after birth were founded in facts and reality.
LOL
Please provide evidence I said any of these things.
Where did I say what you claimed I did in your last paragraph? I provided examples where a governor said that if a baby survived an abortion it would be kept comfortable. And acknowledged this was mostly out of context. The governor answer a hypothetical question. However he did say it didn't he? Just like Trump said "supremist we very fine people". Isn't that how it works?
The fact I did state was that in 7 states, there is no limit on abortion. This is reality and fact.
Again. Show the evidence of these claims. Show me the facts. You can't because your interpretation doesn't make it so because you say it does. No matter your feelings on the issue.
I have yet to find someone who can descibe the techniques used to do an an abortion on a 9 month old fetus or one who is already born. Not.a.single.person.
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Induction abortion is ending a pregnancy by using medicines to start (induce) labor and delivery in the second or third trimester. This is done in the hospital. The doctor may also use a medicine to stop the pregnancy before induction.
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Crusades said:
Please provide evidence I said any of these things.
Where did I say what you claimed I did in your last paragraph? I provided examples where a governor said that if a baby survived an abortion it would be kept comfortable. And acknowledged this was mostly out of context. The governor answer a hypothetical question. However he did say it didn't he? Just like Trump said "supremist we very fine people". Isn't that how it works?
The fact I did state was that in 7 states, there is no limit on abortion. This is reality and fact.
Again. Show the evidence of these claims. Show me the facts. You can't because your interpretation doesn't make it so because you say it does. No matter your feelings on the issue.
Keeping a newborn comfortable isn't the same as killing babies after birth. Don't try to gas light me about Trump's lies and your attempts to justify and explain them. You even foolishly tried to use the law in Alaska to justify Trump's lies.
Yes, Trump said that the white supremacists and their fan boys included some very fine people. Most people think that's a horrifying thing to say. Pedantic arguments from the Trump fan club doesn't change the meaning of Trump's comments.
Sadly, showing you facts just doesn't seem to influence your thinking. You are more than welcome to review your own remarks on the events of January 6th. Are you going to start talking about January 6th as a clumsy but violent attempt to retain Trump as president by bullying and scaring Pence into stopping certification of the EC? Or, are you going to maintain that it was no different or maybe less threatening than the George Floyd protests?
Sooner or later heading up to the election, if my past is my guide I'll get so tired of it all, I'll take a sabbatical from news and from this forum. I'm almost there. LOL
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Crusades said:
There was something in these threads about forced pregnancy/camps and relation to Handmaid's Tale. I'll elaborate later.
Yes spun into hysteria is too much. I am responsible for my own use of language but it often resembles the language and tone of the content I am replying too.
If you notice, there is a difference in the way I speak to you than others.
I am guilty if using and throwing the same logic and tone at others.
On the other hand, anyone who truly thinks that Trump is the 2nd coming of a Nazi regime is on the hysterical side.
I guess I can say in my social interactions with other Republicans that no one refers to immigrants as "dirty" and "taking over merika " like Heron said nor do I see racism or conspiracy theories.
I've read things comparing Biden to Nazis and Harris as communist. Anyone can cherry pick an idea or a policy and find something simular to Nazi or communism. Same with mental illness.
Trump is not a Nazi, Biden isn't a Nazi and Harris is not a communist. All BS.
Yes. Not allowing a abortion at 6 weeks is technically forcing the woman to be pregnant. Same as no limit/restrictions on abortion in some states technically means these states allow abortion up to birth.
All exhausting.
Nah. You should start a new thread to flesh out discussion of "forced pregnancy" and the Handmaid's Tale. Have you read the books?
We've noticed your tone. Maybe you think it's subtle and needed to be mentioned for members to catch on. You are not matching logic in these discussions. Many times your logic is totally absent or so convoluted is difficult to follow.
Just because a member of the group who is ushering in a form of American fascism says that the idea is ridiculous doesn't mean that its actually ridiculous. It's not hysterical to discuss the similarities among fascist leaders who try to destroy democracies using lies and propaganda. It's hysteria to repeat that liberals are killing babies after birth.
Trump is a mentally ill authoritarian who is using fascist tactics to try to acquire power again. You may use the word NAZI if you want but my guess is that you chose to do so for inflammatory reasons. We all know that Biden and Harris aren't Nazis or communists but that doesn't change what Trump conservatives say about them.
Here's the distinction for your epiphany about abortion; lots of women are actually prohibited from aborting after 6 weeks and forced to be pregnant in some states - but - no women or physicians are aborting viable term, healthy newborns or killing them after birth. It is good that you acknowledge that some women are actually forced by their state to be pregnant when they don't want to be. That's conservative policy that's actually happening to and harming lots of women. It's disingenuous to compare that to something that you think could or might happen somewhere at some time.
It is exhausting to have to review the same facts and data and evidence over and over again.
Tweety said:
Very.
Sooner or later heading up to the election, if my past is my guide I'll get so tired of it all, I'll take a sabbatical from news and from this forum. I'm almost there. LOL
It is exhausting but I will never surrender these threads to right wing misinformation.
Keeping a newborn comfortable isn't the same as killing babies after birth. Don't try to gas light me about Trump's lies and your attempts to justify and explain them. You even foolishly tried to use the law in Alaska to justify Trump's lies.
Yes, Trump said that the white supremacists and their fan boys included some very fine people. Most people think that's a horrifying thing to say. Pedantic arguments from the Trump fan club doesn't change the meaning of Trump's comments.
Sadly, showing you facts just doesn't seem to influence your thinking. You are more than welcome to review your own remarks on the events of January 6th. Are you going to start talking about January 6th as a clumsy but violent attempt to retain Trump as president by bullying and scaring Pence into stopping certification of the EC? Or, are you going to maintain that it was no different or maybe less threatening than the George Floyd protests?
Not attending to a new born living baby is homicide neglect.
That's wasn't the point. The point was to expose yourvattempt to say Trump said a lie that he completely made up all in his own head.
Yes Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, Delaware, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, Washington DC, all have No restrictions on abortion.
you made the claim that I said something, you provide the evidence. You won't.
Depend on how you look at it. 2020 riots caused more damage, more deaths, more police injury. lating months.
however, because the capital riot happended to a government building, where a official process was taking place makes it worse? Right?
Well some people who lost family members lost small businesses might feel that the 2020 riots were worse.
You know?. It's perfectly fine to burn loot kill and assult people as long as it not in a government building. Where elite politicians work.
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Crusades said:
Not attending to a new born living baby is homicide neglect.
That's wasn't the point. The point was to expose yourvattempt to say Trump said a lie that he completely made up all in his own head.
Yes Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, Delaware, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, Washington DC, all have No restrictions on abortion.
you made the claim that I said something, you provide the evidence. You won't.
Depend on how you look at it. 2020 riots caused more damage, more deaths, more police injury. lating months.
however, because the capital riot happended to a government building, where a official process was taking place makes it worse? Right?
Well some people who lost family members lost small businesses might feel that the 2020 riots were worse.
You know?. It's perfectly fine to burn loot kill and assult people as long as it not in a government building. Where elite politicians work.
Did you hear that sounds of moving goal posts? I did.
They are not killing babies after they are born. That's what Trump keeps saying. He didn't talk about comfort or neglect.
If you want to talk about some imagined homicidal neglect of a newborn, you should probably have an example of occurrence handy and mention that such things are already illegal, regardless of abortion laws.
I know what the abortion laws are. You don't seem to know that no one in any of those states is doing abortion up to and even after birth, as Trump claims. Your list is irrelevant because what Trump is saying is happening is not actually happening in any state, not even the states that say that personal medical information and decisions are private and the state has no say in them. (Like in Alaska)
No matter how you look at it, the George Floyd protests were not an attempt to overturn election results, stop the transfer of power and retain a lying loser in the presidency. That's what the events of January 6th were. An attempt to break our republic for a man based upon his lies.
Is cognitive dissonance playing with your mind? Is that why you are trying to use sarcasm rather than actually consider the facts about what really happened on January 6th?
Did you notice why induction abortions are sometimes needed?
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Induction is one option for abortion in the second or third trimester. It may be done because of a severe medical problem. It may also be done if you can't get an abortion earlier in pregnancy.
Did you know that things like 6 week abortion bans in republican led states result in more induction abortions? Those restrictive laws also result in more medical complications and even death in pregnant women.
When you had your OB rotation in nursing school, did you ever work with induced abortions or women with high risk pregnancies.
Did you hear that sounds of moving goal posts? I did.
They are not killing babies after they are born. That's what Trump keeps saying. He didn't talk about comfort or neglect.
If you want to talk about some imagined homicidal neglect of a newborn, you should probably have an example of occurrence handy and mention that such things are already illegal, regardless of abortion laws.
I know what the abortion laws are. You don't seem to know that no one in any of those states is doing abortion up to and even after birth, as Trump claims. Your list is irrelevant because what Trump is saying is happening is not actually happening in any state, not even the states that say that personal medical information and decisions are private and the state has no say in them. (Like in Alaska)
No matter how you look at it, the George Floyd protests were not an attempt to overturn election results, stop the transfer of power and retain a lying loser in the presidency. That's what the events of January 6th were. An attempt to break our republic for a man based upon his lies.
Is cognitive dissonance playing with your mind? Is that why you are trying to use sarcasm rather than actually consider the facts about what really happened on January 6th?
If the states with no abortion restictions would not allow a later pregnancy abortion then what's the issue with applying restrictions? Can you answer? Most democrats will not. I'm not talking about "abortion after birth".
Yeah. The lost lives of POC and small businesses destroyed owned by minorities doesn't matter as much.
Is it fun when people misrepresent your words like you have mine?
You said he already "broke our republic" not he only "tried to" Are you confused about your own feelings or do you just switch it up?
Did you notice why induction abortions are sometimes needed?
Did you know that things like 6 week abortion bans in republican led states result in more induction abortions? Those restrictive laws also result in more medical complications and even death in pregnant women.
When you had your OB rotation in nursing school, did you ever work with induced abortions or women with high risk pregnancies.
Yes. There were several women who were in later pregnancy and in the second trimester that either needed to be induced or c-sectioned. Although technically a "terminated pregnancy " it was a emergency medical intervention to save mom and baby.
I had a high risk pregnancy and had to deliver early because if I didn't my baby and I would have died. If fact, I coded. That is not a "induced abortion " it was a medical intervention that required a termination of the pregnancy before my deliverydate. The goal was to save me and my baby. There are no states that prohibit that.
I also had an abortion. Does that count?
There is no condition that causes a risk to the mother where fetal demise in the uterus is required before whatever method of abortion is used after that.
I support early termination for any reason. Up to 6 weeks. I can agree that's too restrictive . Anytime after viability, abortion to save the mother and/or the baby. However causing fetal demise in the uterus first doesn't make sense and is in contradiction to the safety of the woman. Unless there is some condition that would cause severe pain in the baby after it is born. Know of any?
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Crusades said:
Yes. There were several women who were in later pregnancy and in the second trimester that either needed to be induced or c-sectioned. Although technically a "terminated pregnancy " it was a emergency medical intervention to save mom and baby.
I had a high risk pregnancy and had to deliver early because if I didn't my baby and I would have died. If fact, I coded. That is not a "induced abortion " it was a medical intervention that required a termination of the pregnancy before my deliverydate. The goal was to save me and my baby. There are no states that prohibit that.
I also had an abortion. Does that count?
There is no condition that causes a risk to the mother where fetal demise in the uterus is required before whatever method of abortion is used after that.
I support early termination for any reason. Up to 6 weeks. I can agree that's too restrictive . Anytime after viability, abortion to save the mother and/or the baby. However causing fetal demise in the uterus first doesn't make sense and is in contradiction to the safety of the woman. Unless there is some condition that would cause severe pain in the baby after it is born. Know of any?
What do you mean that "there is no condition that causes a risk to the mother where fetal demise is required before whatever method of abortion is used after that"? What are you saying? I think you are saying that no laws require the fetus to die before the doctor can perform an abortion by whatever means necessary. Is that what you are saying? Restrictive abortion laws hurt women and families. That's the bottom line.
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There was something in these threads about forced pregnancy/camps and relation to Handmaid's Tale. I'll elaborate later.
Yes spun into hysteria is too much. I am responsible for my own use of language but it often resembles the language and tone of the content I am replying too.
If you notice, there is a difference in the way I speak to you than others.
I am guilty if using and throwing the same logic and tone at others.
On the other hand, anyone who truly thinks that Trump is the 2nd coming of a Nazi regime is on the hysterical side.
I guess I can say in my social interactions with other Republicans that no one refers to immigrants as "dirty" and "taking over merika " like Heron said nor do I see racism or conspiracy theories.
I've read things comparing Biden to Nazis and Harris as communist. Anyone can cherry pick an idea or a policy and find something simular to Nazi or communism. Same with mental illness.
Trump is not a Nazi, Biden isn't a Nazi and Harris is not a communist. All BS.
Yes. Not allowing a abortion at 6 weeks is technically forcing the woman to be pregnant. Same as no limit/restrictions on abortion in some states technically means these states allow abortion up to birth.
All exhausting.