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How we seek status. Get the LPN so that you're better than the CNA, get the CNA so that you're better than the housekeeper. Get the RN so that you're better than the LPN, CNA or houskeeper. Get the BSN so that you're better than the ADN, and get the MSN so that you're better than just the ordinary BSN. But lots of people have MSNs so leave nursing altogether and become an NP And then go for the PhD, but don't stop there! One really needs to also be a fellow of the american academy of nurses and have a national certification. But then you're going to need a job to go with all that, so go work for the government or get on some editorial board of some nursing journal, or scrounge for research dollars at a university. Whatever you do--make the big bucks, because that's how you really prove you're better than just a bedside caregiver.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about power and status--I just want the real thing. I want the power and status Mother Teresa had.

Thanks for the translation! I actually think it helped ;) . Now, this is all I have to say on this thread from here on out:

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Originally posted by ADNRN

You know what? You're absolutely right.

What's sad is that it's not enough for you to be right--you have to be offensive as well. It's not enough for you to correct my misconception, you have to make sure I feel bad about myself, too. It seems like wisdom is wasted on you, because when you have it, you use it to harm others. That's really too bad, in my opinion.:o

But you are right.

You see, That is where you are wrong. I am an LPN. Will be an ADN/RN in June... God willing. The wisdom that I have is that I do not try to make those with higher education seem like nobody's who think they are somebody's. My wisdom comes from knowing that it takes all levels in nursing to take care of a patient the way they should be taken care of.

What I have noticed from your replies in this post, is that your wisdom has led you to be very defensive when dealing with your peers. I am sure though, that you are a very capable bedside nurse and I applaud you for that.

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Originally posted by sagarcia210

You see, That is where you are wrong. I am an LPN. Will be an ADN/RN in June... God willing. The wisdom that I have is that I do not try to make those with higher education seem like nobody's who think they are somebody's. My wisdom comes from knowing that it takes all levels in nursing to take care of a patient the way they should be taken care of.

What I have noticed from your replies in this post, is that your wisdom has led you to be very defensive when dealing with your peers. I am sure though, that you are a very capable bedside nurse and I applaud you for that.

please hold the applause. this person is not a nurse yet.

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Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone.

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Originally posted by ADNRN

Bluesky, I don't know. Why do you feel convicted by what I wrote? If you don't feel convicted, why are you acting like I wrote the original post strictly about you?:confused:

While I don't really have the huge reaction that everyone has, your original post did heavily imply that nurses pursuing degrees have somehow been derailed from the core values/power of nursing. It seems that you are proposing a paradigm in which personal empowerment and spiritual empowerment are mutually exclussive. While individual cases vary, I would really question this construct.

To begin with, many people continue their education not to get 3 more letters to add to their name ("status"), but so they can learn more in a way that they are comfortable learning with the ultimate goal of improving the care they give. This may include, for example, classes in parish nursing which concentrate exclussively on the spiritual aspects of patient care.

I decided to personalize my response to communicate how your statement has been interpreted by many who have read it- as a broad endichtment of all nurses who have degrees. So, to answer your question, I do feel convicted- by you- not me.

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Originally posted by NRSKarenRN

Guess we need to add: Don't feed the trolls.

Please keep conversation about ideas and not personal attacks.

So, what? now I'm a troll? Because I bring up lively topics and respond to those who respond to me?

You may want to read back through the posts and see that I have never personally attacked anyone. I'm the one who gets personally attacked.

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Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

by adrn

Never said I was doing it for the supposed prestige. One of your arguments was pursuit of prestige so I made a point with it.

Making it look as if I'm going for the PA for prestige by posting such a thing without a quote from me is simply side-stepping my point about getting off your butt and seeking the greatest knowledge level. Instead of talking great works......how about actualy pursuing them..........uhmmm? What is it that happened that killed that desire in you?

By not reading my posts and replying about the points I'm making you just seem to be opposing arguments I have never made.

Soooooo.........read my post and without just copying my post and making some obtuse statement; try to give us grounds for discussion.

OK?

I'd glady discuss something with you. I just don't know what it is you want to discuss. This is the second time I have mentioned this, and in the future, I'm not going to try to figure out what you mean. But for now I'll give it a shot:

You're suggesting that because I don't want to get a BSN or more, that I'm being lazy in my self-preparation to do great things. yes/no?

But what do you classify as a great thing? That has to be determined first.

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This whole thing is so....dumb. Just as those who choose not to pursure further education are following the path they feel is best suited to them, so are those of us who choose to go on are pursuing what we feel is best for us. Neither side should be investing such energy arguing over who is the better, smarter, more motivated, etc. etc.

To each his own.... we all have to determine what we desire and go for it.

ADNRN, it seems that you are assuming that pursuit of higher education is always motivated by desire for status. Not true. Many of continue our education because we feel it helps us to grow and learn, or because it will help us to reach a particular goal. Why does that make others feel so defensive and angry?

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Originally posted by bluesky

While I don't really have the huge reaction that everyone has, your original post did heavily imply that nurses pursuing degrees have somehow been derailed from the core values/power of nursing. It seems that you are proposing a paradigm in which personal empowerment and spiritual empowerment are mutually exclussive. While individual cases vary, I would really question this construct.

To begin with, many people continue their education not to get 3 more letters to add to their name ("status"), but so they can learn more in a way that they are comfortable learning with the ultimate goal of improving the care they give. This may include, for example, classes in parish nursing which concentrate exclussively on the spiritual aspects of patient care.

I decided to personalize my response to communicate how your statement has been interpreted by many who have read it- as a broad endichtment of all nurses who have degrees. So, to answer your question, I do feel convicted- by you- not me.

I do believe that personal empowerment and spiritual empowerment are mutually exclusive. However, that doesn't meant that just because someone is getting a degree means they are seeking "personal" empowerment. It may be as you say that they are trying to learn more in a way that is comfortable for them to learn, so they can provide better care. I agree, at least, to the theoretical possibility. In my experience, however, most people go for advanced degrees with the hope of finally escaping the one thing they hate the most as a nurse--direct patient care.

As for parish nursing--I have no opinion, because I don't know what they do. If they provide "spiritual" care for spiritually distressing situations, I suppose that could be interesting. But I have no opinion. I'll just take you at your word.

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Originally posted by nursemaa

This whole thing is so....dumb. Just as those who choose not to pursure further education are following the path they feel is best suited to them, so are those of us who choose to go on are pursuing what we feel is best for us. Neither side should be investing such energy arguing over who is the better, smarter, more motivated, etc. etc.

To each his own.... we all have to determine what we desire and go for it.

ADNRN, it seems that you are assuming that pursuit of higher education is always motivated by desire for status. Not true. Many of continue our education because we feel it helps us to grow and learn, or because it will help us to reach a particular goal. Why does that make others feel so defensive and angry?

I keep getting painted with the brush that I am defensive and angry at those getting advanced degrees. And I know it's futile to try to say that I'm neither defensive nor angry, given that nothing can make a person believe what they don't want to believe. After all, people see what they believe. However, I am biased toward bedside nursing and spiritual development. So, anything that detracts a nurse from direct patient care or spiritual development is something I will argue against. Seeking status within the profession of nursing detracts a nurse from direct patient care and spiritual development. That's what the original post is about.

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It's good to know that you don't feel defensive, but many posts on this board that argue about bedside vs non-bedside nursing do seem defensive and angry. Guess I just want to see nurses realize that each individual has their own goals and should be encouraged to work towards them, regardless of whether they choose to remain at the bedside.

Since not everyone pursues higher education for the purpose of gaining status, it seems an unfair generalization that those who choose to be involved in healthcare but not at the bedside are less likely to be able to experience spiritual growth. I don't really see the connection. Some of the most spiritual people I know don't work at the bedside...or even in healthcare at all...help me understand.

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