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How we seek status. Get the LPN so that you're better than the CNA, get the CNA so that you're better than the housekeeper. Get the RN so that you're better than the LPN, CNA or houskeeper. Get the BSN so that you're better than the ADN, and get the MSN so that you're better than just the ordinary BSN. But lots of people have MSNs so leave nursing altogether and become an NP And then go for the PhD, but don't stop there! One really needs to also be a fellow of the american academy of nurses and have a national certification. But then you're going to need a job to go with all that, so go work for the government or get on some editorial board of some nursing journal, or scrounge for research dollars at a university. Whatever you do--make the big bucks, because that's how you really prove you're better than just a bedside caregiver.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about power and status--I just want the real thing. I want the power and status Mother Teresa had.

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Hey ADNRN,

Congratulations! You have become the first on my "Ignore" list. NO ONE will make me feel bad about furthering my education, or following my dreams. Good luck in your nursing career, be careful not to blind patients with your halo.

~ Jen

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Specializes in Case Management, Acute Care, Missions.

I think that it is wonderful that you want to do bedside nursing. Many people feeled called to do that and are content. But why are you condemning others who want to further their degree? I personally would don't care - but I HAVE to have a BSN so I can be a missionary nurse in Zimbabwe (their rules). I would love to someday come back and get my Family Nurse Practioner so that I can better care for those I work with. Not everyone who is furthering their education is in it for the big bucks or prestige - and what you are saying is really inflammatory.

And BTW - Mother Theresa never thought of herself as being "better" or chastised others for having a different call. From what I understand was that she was a very HUMBLE person, never wanted the "power or prestige"....

Lori

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Originally posted by kirbybunny

Hey ADNRN,

Congratulations! You have become the first on my "Ignore" list. NO ONE will make me feel bad about furthering my education, or following my dreams. Good luck in your nursing career, be careful not to blind patients with your halo.

~ Jen

You're going to automatically ignore contrary opinions? Wow.

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Originally posted by Loribabble

I think that it is wonderful that you want to do bedside nursing. Many people feeled called to do that and are content. But why are you condemning others who want to further their degree? I personally would don't care - but I HAVE to have a BSN so I can be a missionary nurse in Zimbabwe (their rules). I would love to someday come back and get my Family Nurse Practioner so that I can better care for those I work with. Not everyone who is furthering their education is in it for the big bucks or prestige - and what you are saying is really inflammatory.

And BTW - Mother Theresa never thought of herself as being "better" or chastised others for having a different call. From what I understand was that she was a very HUMBLE person, never wanted the "power or prestige"....

Lori

I'm merely making commentary on what I believe is the incorrect pursuit of real power and real status. I'm suggesting that what the world holds up as power and status is false power and status. Mother Teresa had real power and status, and yet she was humble and a servant to the poorest of the poor. She had three months of nursing training and we are sitting here talking about her like she's a demigod of some sort--that's my whole point.

Jesus was all about power and status. He never said give up being the greatest. He said, if you want to be the greatest, you have to be the servant of all. You have to be the least of all. It's a mindset.

You need a BSN to do your calling, then get one. I have to have an RN to do my calling, so I'm getting one. My post isn't a criticism of the requirements for a calling, my post is a criticism of the vain struggle for illusory power and status. If people take it personally, they should question why they are taking it personally. Maybe they should take it personally. You read it, you took it personally, but then you reasoned it away, because you have to have a BSN. So, it doesn't apply to you, does it?

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I've read your posts over the last week, and all its done is shown me that you are someone I don't care to hear from when I come on this site. You seem to post inflammatory topics on purpose, always wanting a debate. I respect that you have your ideas and opinions, but I just don't want to hear them anymore. Goodbye.

~ Jen

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Originally posted by kirbybunny

I've read your posts over the last week, and all its done is shown me that you are someone I don't care to hear from when I come on this site. You seem to post inflammatory topics on purpose, always wanting a debate. I respect that you have your ideas and opinions, but I just don't want to hear them anymore. Goodbye.

~ Jen

Jen, it's a discussion board. New topics have to be introduced that are a little "inflammatory" or no one's going to want to engage in the conversation. But fine: you want to pretend I don't exist; block me out when you come on board. I personally take NSAIDS occassionally for a case tennis elbow (lateral epicondylitis to put it in BSN terms), and they really, really work well for me. They take away the inflammatory pain. 100%...but I'd be a fool to think they've cured me. A lack of pain can be more dangerous to our health than we think. Yes/No? :kiss

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i agree w/ kirbybunny...the OP obviously has issues w/ the fact that he/she is obtaining an ADN and that others are surpassing that. If the OP was truly a "servent" and truly wanted to be like Jesus then the put-downs, inflammatory statements and objections to higher learning for the betterment of the profession would cease. If everyone had an ADN - how would we learn from each other? I am sorry that the OP feels that the ADN degree is the be-all, end-all....i feel sorry for his/her patients because he/she obviously already knows everything and has nothing left to learn....and most of all i feel sorry for the OP because there is a really tough road ahead for him/her with these outlooks....

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Specializes in Med-Surg.

Striving to be Mother Teresa or Jesus is not on my agenda. I would love to be like them, and I think most Christians hold up Christ as the example of how to live their lives.

I hate to say, that while I'm not in nursing for the money and power, I'm not in it to give my life away to the poor and suffering, without any return.

I'd like to think that those striving for higher education aren't necessarily doing it for power and prestige.

I think your career in nursing is going to be very frustrating if you expect to find Mother Teresa's running around. Plus, if you're expecting that of yourself, go for it, but you're in for a tough ride.

Did your name used to be Mario? j/k

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Specializes in Geriatrics/Oncology/Psych/College Health.

If you think there is a nursing shortage now, just take away any monetary incentive to perform the job. Make it a holy calling. I've read there's quite a priest shortage...apparently servitude ain't what it used to be.

Don't get me wrong - I get my warm fuzzies out of nursing, and I like my job, but I'm not doing it for free. Atheists need to make a living, too. :)

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amen, amen nurse ratched.....

:roll :D

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Originally posted by athomas91

i agree w/ kirbybunny...the OP obviously has issues w/ the fact that he/she is obtaining an ADN and that others are surpassing that. If the OP was truly a "servent" and truly wanted to be like Jesus then the put-downs, inflammatory statements and objections to higher learning for the betterment of the profession would cease. If everyone had an ADN - how would we learn from each other? I am sorry that the OP feels that the ADN degree is the be-all, end-all....i feel sorry for his/her patients because he/she obviously already knows everything and has nothing left to learn....and most of all i feel sorry for the OP because there is a really tough road ahead for him/her with these outlooks....

First off! Does OP stand for original poster? I think it does, but it could stand for obstinate private part. I'm just not sure.

Secondly, I hate school. I have two associate degrees, my nursing one will be my third, and I have a Bsc in Liberal Arts. It's time to stop being a student and start doing that which I became a student to learn how to do.

I don't care that others surpass me in education. Someone has to be my manager. Someone has to run the hospital so I can perform my calling. I need managers every bit as much as I need everyone else in the hospital. God has provided them so I can do my calling. I'm not even against seeking status. No one lights a candel and then puts it under a bucket. Nor am I'm against power. I say get all the power in heaven to do as much on earth as you can. I'm against false power and false status.

And did you really say, "If everyone had an ADN, how would we learn from one another?" Tell me you're joking. We go to college and get PhDs so we can do original research on artists, inventors and philosophers who never spent a day in college. And while this is a topic for another post, here's something you may have to come to terms with some day: we're pretty much at the end of technology and the need for further medical research. We are entering a time of doing, a time for caring about one another, a time for--dare I say it--kindness. Why can't a DNSc find a way to take a selfish uncaring nurse and turn him into a caring dedicated humanitarian? Start funding that research and I'll jump on the PhD bandwagon myself.

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