School Shootings

nmr79 · Feb 16, 2018

I have my badge now. All the doors are locked.

Our town has all doors locked all of the time. Visitors have to go in one door, and they have to be buzzed in. It's a nuisance sometimes, but I'm happy for the extra little bit of security. We all have badges to let us in .

Farawyn · Feb 16, 2018

I'm really struggling, too. I started crying when I hugged my daughter goodbye this morning. She's in 2nd grade. I can't imagine her and her friends living through the horror of a school shooting. There was a shooting in a school here 30 years ago. Laurie Dann-- she was not a student, she was a former nanny of several families in the area, and she was also psychotic. She shot a few people, and killed one kid, who would be my age if he hadn't died. If it happened here, it can happen anywhere.

Yeah. I posted a few pages ago that my heart was turning to stone over these, but this one is getting to me.Hard.

The parents... I can't take it. I just want to hold them.

OyWithThePoodles, RN · Feb 16, 2018

We are the one of the only schools (if not the only) in the district that doesn't have a double set of doors. Most have the main doors, then a small vestibule with locked doors, making you go into the main office before entering the rest of the school. Our does not. Once you're in, you're in. The main doors all stay locked and visitors can only buzz in through one door, but that's all one has to do, buzz and you're let in. I feel you should have to give your childs name before even entering, but I know that's time consuming and a hassle.

Only one school in our district that I am aware of makes you state why you are there. It gets annoying saying "nurse" every time. But I get it.

OldDude · Feb 16, 2018

Florida school shooting: How was killer able to get around school security? - Sun Sentinel

So, the fire alarm system upgrade was to be completed by 2016...

and...

The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff's deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn't think he was on campus when the shooting happened.

"I have been told by a couple of sources that the SRO was either called off campus responding to something happening or it could have been his day off," she said. "They are stretched very thin."

Neither BSO nor school district officials responded to requests for comment about where the officer was at the time.

ruby_jane, BSN, RN · Feb 16, 2018

Florida school shooting: How was killer able to get around school security? - Sun Sentinel
So, the fire alarm system upgrade was to be completed by 2016...
and...
The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff's deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn't think he was on campus when the shooting happened.
"I have been told by a couple of sources that the SRO was either called off campus responding to something happening or it could have been his day off," she said. "They are stretched very thin."
Neither BSO nor school district officials responded to requests for comment about where the officer was at the time.

We have two resource officers on site (two more could be here in a few minutes) and I'm not sure they'd have been able to scramble to the place where a kid was using an automatic rifle....

rnknsn · Feb 16, 2018

My heart is broken as well, I used to be a correctional nurse and didn't feel as on edge as I do working as a school nurse, now that's sad. I agree with many of you that we need to enforce the laws we have in place now. I have mixed feelings about gun reforms. In my experience, making something illegal or hard to obtain legally does not have an effect on criminals. They will find a way, they will smuggle, they will market them on the black market, and not all people are going to give up their guns. We can't legally go and search every home and building and confiscate their guns. Drugs are illegal, yet how many parents do we have every day buying and selling these drugs? We have kids addicted to drugs, being trafficked, abused, and many other things that are illegal and yet they still occur in mass amounts every day in our country and other countries around the world.

On another note, I work at a very small school, our administration has not even discussed school shootings, we don't have a drill, we only lock the front doors and like a previous poster stated, they buzz and they are let in, no questions asked. our campus also has multiple buildings at Elementary and High School and no camera's We have more kids addicted to drugs and parent's not in their children's lives than I have ever seen. Yet, no one wants to talk about the what if's. I am praying for all of your safety and ours as well. I'm am glad we have this board to discuss these matters and concerns we have.

OyWithThePoodles, RN · Feb 16, 2018

Here is what I can't seem to find anywhere: This article made it sound like kids went into a lockdown FIRST, then the fire alarm was pulled. How did he get into the school to pull the fire alarm? Or was there an alarm on the outside of the school? I'm still confused about this. None of our schools have alarms on the outside of the building. If he pulled an alarm inside the building, how did he get in?

I was under the impression that there was an alarm on the outside of the building that was pulled, then he entered as students were coming out, but whole alarm on the outside of the building is throwing me off.

OldDude · Feb 16, 2018

We have two resource officers on site (two more could be here in a few minutes) and I'm not sure they'd have been able to scramble to the place where a kid was using an automatic rifle....

We have two SROs for our entire district...7 campuses...that's great!! Yes, the ones on site could have responded and saved lives, possibly killed the shooter. And, although the AR 15 can expend a lot of rounds per minute, according to the magazine size, this weapon is not an automatic rifle.

kidzcare · Feb 16, 2018

We have two SROs for our entire district...7 campuses...that's great!! Yes, the ones on site could have responded and saved lives, possibly killed the shooter. And, although the AR 15 can expend a lot of rounds per minute, according to the magazine size, this weapon is not an automatic rifle.

Let's not get caught up in semantics. I posted a video on FB that was taken by a student during the shooting. The video is 6 seconds long and I count 19 or 20 shots. The only purpose of a gun with that kind of rapid fire is to kill and kill fast.

When the constitution was written, a gun could fire about 2 rounds per minute. It also said we could own people. Once we know better, we do better. Time to do better, America.

OyWithThePoodles, RN · Feb 16, 2018

Related but unrelated: It makes me SO mad that there were kids actually videoing during this event. Really kids? Really? There is an active shooter in your building, KILLING people, and you're posting snapchat videos. A report from a student there said when it first started many kids were laughing and carrying on thinking it was "just a drill". Our youth just has no accountability. And where do they get it from: in one interview a mom was on the phone with her audibly distraught child "You're safe? You're at the Marriott? Okay, let me do this interview real fast and I'll be right there!" Mom, your child has just lived through what will arguably be the most traumatic event in their life. Screw the interview, go to them.

kidzcare · Feb 16, 2018

Related but unrelated: It makes me SO mad that there were kids actually videoing during this event. Really kids? Really? There is an active shooter in your building, KILLING people, and you're posting snapchat videos. A report from a student there said when it first started many kids were laughing and carrying on thinking it was "just a drill". Our youth just has no accountability. And where do they get it from: in one interview a mom was on the phone with her audibly distraught child "You're safe? You're at the Marriott? Okay, let me do this interview real fast and I'll be right there!" Mom, your child has just lived through what will arguably be the most traumatic event in their life. Screw the interview, go to them.

I see what you're saying, but honestly, there are over 2900 students attending that school and I've seen maybe 2-3 videos. I'm guessing those kids already had their phones out for something else and just kept going.

OldDude · Feb 16, 2018

Let's not get caught up in semantics. I posted a video on FB that was taken by a student during the shooting. The video is 6 seconds long and I count 19 or 20 shots. The only purpose of a gun with that kind of rapid fire is to kill and kill fast.
When the constitution was written, a gun could fire about 2 rounds per minute. It also said we could own people. Once we know better, we do better. Time to do better, America.[/quote
Are you saying it's appropriate to perpetuate the idea this guy used a machine gun? Because that's what an automatic weapon is and that isn't a matter of semantics. This takes me right back to the beginning of this debate...every single semi-automatic weapon, rifle, shotgun, or handgun, has the same capacity to fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled...just like this Armalite Rifle model 15. The guns are NOT going away. It's a pipe dream to think, "or want" otherwise. President Trump isn't going to make the guns disappear just like President Obama didn't and just like Bush, and Clinton, and the old Bush, and Reagan, and Carter, and Ford, and Nixon, and Johnson, and before him didn't either.
Progress will not be made on this issue until the immediate threat is met with overwhelming and deadly force to protect the innocents and a complete revolution in the social/mental health issue is initiated and put into place. And in the meantime...I have my re-circulated email of our lockdown procedure close at hand to make everything OK.