School Not Allowing Us to Take NCLEX

[JDS]

I know this might sound made up but it is the absolute truth.

To give this context, I am letting you know the school is on probation for low NCLEX success rate.

Last course to graduate is a course called Role Transition. Traditionally you work in an hospital for at least 140 hours. You take an exit exam and you are done. For my cohort., they added a 4 hour classroom instruction to this course with ATI testing weekly. In addition to the exit exam, two ATI comprehensive exams was required as well as Clinical Competency Exam. The first ATI exam was a predictor of NCLEX success. I passed with a 99% prediction to pass NCLEX. I scored 92% on the second ATI exam, one of 8 students out of over 90 until score was curved yielding about 20 students that passed. I also passed the exit exam and had 86.1% for the class, a B. I failed the CCE, this is another story in itself. Course syllabus stated if you failed ATI exams, you would go through 3 weeks of bootcamp.

3 weeks before graduation, we were told there would be no bootcamp for those that failed the ATI exams but 3 week NurseThink program (which is grueling) after which you take another exam and if you failed you would continue for another 3 weeks. I figured I was safe since I passed both exams. I would have to retake the CCE as a remediation. We were given incompletes and allowed to graduate and I attended the graduation ceremony.

School then decided that if you failed the CCE but passed the ATI exams, you would only need to participate in the NurseThink program but if you passed the ATI exams but failed CCE you would have to go through both NurseThink and retake CCE. So at this point ATI results show that I have 99% chance of passing NCLEX and I was one of 20 students to pass second ATI exam and I have already graduated but I have to now go into NurseThink and take another exam. This is clearly unfair. All e-mails to the school requesting meeting went unanswered. 3 weeks of NurseThink and we couldn't take exam because school server crashed, exam rescheduled.

School sends out e-mail that if remediation CCE is failed, a meeting will be held with student to decide the next course of action. Before we could take the rescheduled NurseThink exam, we did CCE exam and most of us failed again. We got an e-mail saying we would not be allowed to take the reschedule NurseThink exam and our grades changed to an F from Incomplete. All e-mails to school went unanswered. That was it. Seems the school is hellbent on putting forward the least number graduates for NCLEX to boost their success rate and get off probation and damn the students and consequences.

So after spending 52K and 20 months in school and graduating, I can't take NCLEX and the school is not responding. About 10 of us decided to hire a lawyer but the lawyer who had the most experience dealing with this school wants $385 from each student for consultation even though this would be a class action lawsuit if it moves forward and he would be meeting with us at the same time, so $3850 and you can see where this is going. There is something wrong with the NCLEX system if things like this is happening. Please advise.

[JDS]

Knew that there would be remediation for the one you failed. I passed both predictive ATI at 99%, ATI comprehensive at 92% and 100% for exit exam. That was in the syllabus. I didn't have to do boot camp or NurseThink but I got told to do it anyway. Syllabus also said if you failed CCE there would be remediation and if failed a second time, school would work with you till satisfactory. That also changed. No point in going on.

[FiremedicMike, BSN, RN, EMT-P]

12 hours ago, JDS said:

Knew that there would be remediation for the one you failed. I passed both predictive ATI at 99%, ATI comprehensive at 92% and 100% for exit exam. That was in the syllabus. I didn't have to do boot camp or NurseThink but I got told to do it anyway. Syllabus also said if you failed CCE there would be remediation and if failed a second time, school would work with you till satisfactory. That also changed. No point in going on.

Sorry if you feel like you’re portraying your story clearly, but my questions are because you aren’t and I want to make sure I understand the situation.

As far as I can tell, you took one practice exam (ATI) and passed it twice.  You took another practice exam (CCE) and failed it twice.  One post makes it seem like you did take the nursethink remediation but that there was some computer issue at the end?   Is the situation really just that they’re trying to get everything fixed before they can send off your gradation conformation, or have they actually went from “you can take NCLEX” to “now you can’t”.

 

[JDS]

I took 2 ATI exams. One that predicts your rate of passing NCLEX, requirement was 90% prediction of passing. I scored 99%. I don't know what the second was for but required passing was 70% and I got 92%. One of just 8 that passed initially out of over 90. These exams were part of your grade makeup for the class. CCE was not but it was on the syllabus. CCE was a *** show. Instead of a panel, we got different people for each element. One of mine was on her phone throughout that element. Everyone who took the CCE a second time failed, that's more than half the cohort, including people who graduated magna cum laude. They went back on everything they said and kept changing the rules.  They are now retroactively kicking people out of the program after graduation. Trust me, they are not trying to help us pass. There's a lot more than I can get into here. I'm gonna stop now.

[londonflo]

 

1 hour ago, JDS said:

CCE was not but it was on the syllabus. CCE was a *** show. Instead of a panel, we got different people for each element. One of mine was on her phone throughout that element.

I am totally confused...I cannot find anything on the CCE, except for psych graduate programs.  Was this an oral exam?

[FiremedicMike, BSN, RN, EMT-P]

6 hours ago, JDS said:

I took 2 ATI exams. One that predicts your rate of passing NCLEX, requirement was 90% prediction of passing. I scored 99%. I don't know what the second was for but required passing was 70% and I got 92%. One of just 8 that passed initially out of over 90. These exams were part of your grade makeup for the class. CCE was not but it was on the syllabus. CCE was a *** show. Instead of a panel, we got different people for each element. One of mine was on her phone throughout that element. Everyone who took the CCE a second time failed, that's more than half the cohort, including people who graduated magna cum laude. They went back on everything they said and kept changing the rules.  They are now retroactively kicking people out of the program after graduation. Trust me, they are not trying to help us pass. There's a lot more than I can get into here. I'm gonna stop now.

What happens once you take the remediation course they want you to take?

 

[londonflo]

On 5/22/2022 at 1:06 PM, JDS said:

A school on probation that used to send 90 students for NCLEX and is at 50% success rate can simply send 9 to and achieve 100% success rate and get off probation. There should be some kind of weighting used when the number of your students drop dramatically. All that is happening is that the schools are not improving their instructions and producing better students for the NLCEX but gaming the system, abusing students  and going their merry way.

Surely, citing on the State Board of Nursing declaring this school is on probation is a warning. And the owners of such school will try to wring out any dollar they can before the school is closed or look for other ways to keep the school viable.  The question for you may be:  when did you learn the school is on probation. (I am not a lawyer and not offering legal advice.)

I do want to help but I have a couple questions:

What do the initials of CCE stand for...what was written on the syllabus?

What were the 'elements' and why did you need several proctors?  Was this an oral exam? 

 

[iNurs5, CNA]

8 hours ago, londonflo said:

Surely, citing on the State Board of Nursing declaring this school is on probation is a warning. And the owners of such school will try to wring out any dollar they can before the school is closed or look for other ways to keep the school viable.  The question for you may be:  when did you learn the school is on probation. (I am not a lawyer and not offering legal advice.)

I do want to help but I have a couple questions:

What do the initials of CCE stand for...what was written on the syllabus?

What were the 'elements' and why did you need several proctors?  Was this an oral exam? 

 

What I know CCE is this CCE

Other CCE I found is CCE

Other CCE https://secure.acce.org/pages/cce/ 


 

[londonflo]

Thank you Honyebee.

16 hours ago, Honyebee said:

What I know CCE is this CCE

 #1 This is the Center for Credentialing and Education Examinations...

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Driven by our educational mission and the heritage of our parent organization, the National Board for Certified Counselors (NBCC), the Center for Credentialing & Education (CCE) offers credentialing, assessment and business support services that help our credential holders, partners and clients enhance their professional credibility and advance their individual and organizational goals.

#2

16 hours ago, Honyebee said:

Other CCE I found is CCE

Council on Chiropractic Evaluation.

and #3

16 hours ago, Honyebee said:

Other CCE https://secure.acce.org/pages/cce/ 

Certified Chamber Executive.

 

I am wondering if the CCE mentioned by the OP is a test written by the school. 

[K. Everly, BSN, RN]

This is totally shady and I hope you do hire a lawyer and hold this school accountable. 
 
Lawyers are expensive but if the one you spoke to really is the most skilled and experienced with this school and to handle an issue like this, they will be worth it.

Without a lawyer I am afraid you may not be able to do much, which is totally not okay for a 52k investment, years of your life, and your future career all hanging in the balance. 

[203bravo, MSN, APRN]

On 5/26/2022 at 10:20 AM, londonflo said:

 

I am totally confused...I cannot find anything on the CCE, except for psych graduate programs.  Was this an oral exam?

"In addition to the exit exam, two ATI comprehensive exams was required as well as Clinical Competency Exam."

Obviously an exam designed by the program. with the statement of multiple proctors... Sounds like the students are called into a room - given a clinical situation - then graded on their performance. 

[iNurs5, CNA]

8 hours ago, 203bravo said:

"In addition to the exit exam, two ATI comprehensive exams was required as well as Clinical Competency Exam."

Obviously an exam designed by the program. with the statement of multiple proctors... Sounds like the students are called into a room - given a clinical situation - then graded on their performance. 

It sounds familiar to me, but it was a weekly simulation. We were given clinical situations. We would be given feedback on where we did well and where we need to improve.

[JDS]

Right, multiple proctors, different for each element. All subjective. One of mine was on the phone for the whole element. Problem was CCE wasn't part of passing or failing the course. Syllabus says , 160 hours of hospital work, evaluation of nurse supervisor and clinical instructor. If you have all three in addition to passing the ATI comprehensive exams, you passed. 3 weeks to graduation, it changed to having to pass both exams and CCE.