School Not Allowing Us to Take NCLEX

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by JDS JDS (New) New Student

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I know this might sound made up but it is the absolute truth.

To give this context, I am letting you know the school is on probation for low NCLEX success rate.

Last course to graduate is a course called Role Transition. Traditionally you work in an hospital for at least 140 hours. You take an exit exam and you are done. For my cohort., they added a 4 hour classroom instruction to this course with ATI testing weekly. In addition to the exit exam, two ATI comprehensive exams was required as well as Clinical Competency Exam. The first ATI exam was a predictor of NCLEX success. I passed with a 99% prediction to pass NCLEX. I scored 92% on the second ATI exam, one of 8 students out of over 90 until score was curved yielding about 20 students that passed. I also passed the exit exam and had 86.1% for the class, a B. I failed the CCE, this is another story in itself. Course syllabus stated if you failed ATI exams, you would go through 3 weeks of bootcamp.

3 weeks before graduation, we were told there would be no bootcamp for those that failed the ATI exams but 3 week NurseThink program (which is grueling) after which you take another exam and if you failed you would continue for another 3 weeks. I figured I was safe since I passed both exams. I would have to retake the CCE as a remediation. We were given incompletes and allowed to graduate and I attended the graduation ceremony.

School then decided that if you failed the CCE but passed the ATI exams, you would only need to participate in the NurseThink program but if you passed the ATI exams but failed CCE you would have to go through both NurseThink and retake CCE. So at this point ATI results show that I have 99% chance of passing NCLEX and I was one of 20 students to pass second ATI exam and I have already graduated but I have to now go into NurseThink and take another exam. This is clearly unfair. All e-mails to the school requesting meeting went unanswered. 3 weeks of NurseThink and we couldn't take exam because school server crashed, exam rescheduled.

School sends out e-mail that if remediation CCE is failed, a meeting will be held with student to decide the next course of action. Before we could take the rescheduled NurseThink exam, we did CCE exam and most of us failed again. We got an e-mail saying we would not be allowed to take the reschedule NurseThink exam and our grades changed to an F from Incomplete. All e-mails to school went unanswered. That was it. Seems the school is hellbent on putting forward the least number graduates for NCLEX to boost their success rate and get off probation and damn the students and consequences.

So after spending 52K and 20 months in school and graduating, I can't take NCLEX and the school is not responding. About 10 of us decided to hire a lawyer but the lawyer who had the most experience dealing with this school wants $385 from each student for consultation even though this would be a class action lawsuit if it moves forward and he would be meeting with us at the same time, so $3850 and you can see where this is going. There is something wrong with the NCLEX system if things like this is happening. Please advise.

londonflo

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 45 years experience. 1,938 Posts

I am sorry. This is really a tough situation. You passed the ATI test with a great predictor score. 

londonflo

londonflo

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8 hours ago, JDS said:

To give this context, I am letting you know the school is on probation for low NCLEX success rate.

The school is trying to prevent any one who will not pass NCLEX from taking it. Their $$$ (including your $52,000), survival, jobs are at stake. I am assuming this is a Florida school.

8 hours ago, JDS said:

School then decided that if you failed the CCE but passed the ATI exams, you would only need to participate in the NurseThink program

aren't these  (see below) the same except for retaking the CCE?

8 hours ago, JDS said:

if you passed the ATI exams but failed CCE you would have to go through both NurseThink and retake CCE.

 

8 hours ago, JDS said:

There is something wrong with the NCLEX system if things like this is happening

NCLEX is not preventing you in obtaining licensure...it is either the poor administration of the school (and a poor curriculum that waits until the student is going out the door at graduation to act) and/or the state approval system that allowed your college/school to exist .

JDS

JDS

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If you passed the ATI exams, why would you need to go through NurseThink when people who passed CCE and failed ATI only have to take NurseThink?

Yes, it is the state board that is letting the school game the system. Are law schools allowed to control who takes the bar exams just so they can pad their success rates?

A school on probation that used to send 90 students for NCLEX and is at 50% success rate can simply send 9 to and achieve 100% success rate and get off probation. There should be some kind of weighting used when the number of your students drop dramatically. All that is happening is that the schools are not improving their instructions and producing better students for the NLCEX but gaming the system, abusing students  and going their merry way.

FiremedicMike

FiremedicMike, RN, EMT-P

Specializes in 20+ years as a firefighter/paramedic, new ED RN. 258 Posts

What did your syllabus say at the beginning of the course in regards to those tests and the boot camp?

kbrn2002, ADN, RN

Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis. Has 20 years experience. 3,597 Posts

It's not an NCLEX problem you are having. It's the school that's not allowing you to graduate and  test that is the problem. Hire that lawyer. I assume all of you considering the lawsuit are in the same boat. $385 each is a small price to pay when compared to the $52,000 you've already invested. At least an attorney can force the school into responding to you all.

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JDS

JDS

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13 hours ago, FiremedicMike said:

What did your syllabus say at the beginning of the course in regards to those tests and the boot camp?

The tests were in the sylabus as well as boot camp. E-mail was sent 3 weeks from graduation saying boot camp is being replaced by NurseThink.

londonflo

londonflo

Specializes in oncology. Has 45 years experience. 1,938 Posts

On 5/21/2022 at 9:53 AM, JDS said:

but the lawyer who had the most experience dealing with this school

Are you able to ask about the lawyer's experiences with this school....

FiremedicMike

FiremedicMike, RN, EMT-P

Specializes in 20+ years as a firefighter/paramedic, new ED RN. 258 Posts

15 hours ago, JDS said:

The tests were in the sylabus as well as boot camp. E-mail was sent 3 weeks from graduation saying boot camp is being replaced by NurseThink.

Just want to make sure I understand correctly - you knew from the beginning that if you failed these tests that you would need to do a formal remediation, the only thing that’s changed is that instead of “boot camp” it’s changed to “nursethink”?

zoidberg, BSN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 7 years experience. 301 Posts

My program also had required testing but it was just ATI. Then ATI based review questions for those who didn't pass. ATI was much harder than NCLEX. Maybe you can provide data showing how likely it is for those who did well on ATI to pass NCLEX? But yes get a lawyer. Group together and everyone pitch in. 

Honyebee, CNA

Specializes in Customer service. Has 1 years experience. 467 Posts

Sorry to hear that, OP. 

My school only requires me to pass ATI to graduate and sit for NCLEX. 

Honyebee, CNA

Specializes in Customer service. Has 1 years experience. 467 Posts

On 5/21/2022 at 7:53 AM, JDS said:

There is something wrong with the NCLEX system if things like this is happening. Please advise.

The state can shut down (?) schools that aren't passing their student the first NCLEX test. We have a CC in our area that is at risk of getting in trouble for not meeting the NCLEX score. 

Edited by Honyebee