PNA vs institutionalizing practical nursing program
By Katherine Evangelista
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 20:14:00 06/18/2008
MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Nurses Association (PNA) on Wednesday declared its opposition to the proposal of the Commission on Higher Education (CHEd) to "ladderize" the nursing curriculum to institutionalize the practical nursing course Wednesday.
At the same time, the PNA called on schools offering practical nursing to be "honest" and not "mislead" prospective students into believing there is a high demand for practical nurses abroad when there is none.
I realized that there is a problem with the Commission on Higher Education (ChEd). First, they cannot close down low performing nursing schools and now they plan to ladderize the LPN program. Are they stupid? The LPN program should be abolish. They are misleading LPNs in their career.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Do you even know what you're talking about? No to LPNs? Will you be your Nurse Manager's assistant when the LPN is gone? Or are you just writing this for article's sake. Yes, its true there is a great demand for LPNs/LVNs. Do not mislead your readers.
How can there be a big demand for LPN/LVN in the Philippines which is where this is when there is no local license and no jobs? If looking for immigration then LPN/LVN doesn't meet immigration requirements so a waste of time doing the training if other countries don't accept it, better to do RN
How can there be a big demand for LPN/LVN in the Philippines which is where this is when there is no local license and no jobs? If looking for immigration then LPN/LVN doesn't meet immigration requirements so a waste of time doing the training if other countries don't accept it, better to do RN
I'm not referring to Philippine employment. Did you take up nursing to work in the Philippines? Definitely not. Unless you're a martyr.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
I'm not referring to Philippine employment. Did you take up nursing to work in the Philippines? Definitely not. Unless you're a martyr.
I am not from the Philippines but LPN doesn't meet most if not all countries for immigration purpose. The EU did away with this type of training several years ago and will only accept RN. The US will only accept RN, Canada may accept it but you need a local license and one isn't available in the Philippines then will cause problems with application. People spend money doing a course like this to then find they have wasted their money and a couple of years because they can not use it not even in the Philippines. A big shame and shouldn't be allowed
Do you even know what you're talking about? No to LPNs? Will you be your Nurse Manager's assistant when the LPN is gone? Or are you just writing this for article's sake. Yes, its true there is a great demand for LPNs/LVNs. Do not mislead your readers.
The Philippine governement does not recognize the Practical nursing programs that are held there; they do not offer a local license for them to even sit for. This thread is for those that are wishing to train in the Philippines and then cannot do a thing with their training once they are done. None of the other countries are accepting the LPN for immigration purposes. Canada has started, butand with a very large BUT; they require a local license from the nurse and since those in the Philippines cannot obtain one, that takes them out of the running for this as well.
Not sure where you are located, but the fact remains that the US does not issue a visa for the LPN; nor do most other countries. So training alone is not going to permit them to work.
And nurse managers use secretaries as assistants, or RNs. They normally do not use the LPN in this role.
I'm not referring to Philippine employment. Did you take up nursing to work in the Philippines? Definitely not. Unless you're a martyr.
But this thread is actually on the Philippine Forum as a start, and has been mentioned over and over again; one is unable to get a visa from any country to work as an LPN.
There are over 500,000 unemployed RNs in the Philippines and no jobs for those with the LPN training, since it is not recognized by your government. And have you actually gone thru this training in the Philippines and are now gainfully employed as an LPN in another country?
scope of responsibilities psychiatric nursing / fundamentals in nursing (lab and lecture) iv therapy nsg 104 & nsg 105
as far as i can recall from my reviewers, iv procedures (all of them) are exclusive for rns and higher even in the us. and ivt locally, requires a trainee to be an rn to begin with. and even ivt is already a problem for new rns due to its limited slots during training sessions.
and the board of directors, it's family-run... no question about it. and from my experience, a family-run school is one powerful money making business.
and this program that is telling you to take the exam in the us needs to be reported to the us embassy in manila as well as the slimey lawyer that is feeding you very bad information.
there are no legal visas for one to obtain to work in the us as a practical nurse. period. any mention of one by one of these schools is going to see you to the highest bidder and essentially as a slave. you would be under an illegal visa and subject to being deported for immigration fraud.
and for the states that require the local license before they will permit you to sit for the nclex-pn exam, will not be able to do so since the philippines does not recognize the training for licensure as well. one of the major requirements is that the country where you trained recognize the training for licensure.
The only exception to this rule are LPNs who are married to an American and immigrate this way and obtain work later on. I have heard from two personally who have done this.
However, it should be noted that they were LPNs who had also returned to become RNs.
That's definitely something to consider.
I would never expect a company outside the USA to hire me based on a 2-year degree that I got in the USA, I have no idea why Pinoys think that the USA companies would do so.
The only exception to this rule are LPNs who are married to an American and immigrate this way and obtain work later on. I have heard from two personally who have done this.
However, it should be noted that they were LPNs who had also returned to become RNs.
That's definitely something to consider.
I would never expect a company outside the USA to hire me based on a 2-year degree that I got in the USA, I have no idea why Pinoys think that the USA companies would do so.
Don't believe the hype! Go for the 4-year degree!
But they are not applying for an employer-driven visa, they would be getting one thru a spouse. So there are actually no exceptions to the rule of LPNs being able to get a visa. They are not getting one because they are an LPN, they would get it no matter what job they held or if they were just going to remain home.
But also take into account, that it is also going to depend on the state as well. If the state requires the CES, then one is going to need a local license to be able to get that and in the Philippines there is no legal exam. So going for the training in the Philippines is not going to be accepted across the US, especially since many of the schools are not even approved by your government.
This thread is specific to those that want to go to school there and then think that they will be able to obtain a visa to work in the US. We are seeing very unscrupulous schools sell their students to come to the US under the H2-B visa; this sets them up immediately for immigration fraud and deportation as well as the fact that it is 100% illegal per the US government. Next is the issue of the schools being involved in the recruitment process, this is also a no-no by any reputable company.
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How can there be a big demand for LPN/LVN in the Philippines which is where this is when there is no local license and no jobs? If looking for immigration then LPN/LVN doesn't meet immigration requirements so a waste of time doing the training if other countries don't accept it, better to do RN