Say NO to LPN Progams in Philippines

suzanne4, RN · Jun 20, 2008

:angryfireGlad to see this, it is about time that the RNs took a stand against these programs that are ladders to nowhere. There is not one country that will issue a visa to work based on this training, and why in the world would then even wish to when the Philippine government does not even recognize it for licensure.

And I do remember the actual statement by Brion, a number of months back in which he made the wonderful statement about those that cannot pass the NLE, just be called LPNs instead. But that still does not matter as there is no place for them to work.

And when you see sleazy operators of these programs promising visas to unsuspecting students, it is a disgrace; pure and simple. There are no legal visas for the LPN to obtain to work in the US, only way that they can work is if they have a green card or US citizenship; but otherwise the H2-B is not for nurses and thanks to some of these wonderful and disgusting people, the nurses that they tried to send over under false pretenses are actually getting deported when ICE investigages their documents.

Shame on all of them, and do hope that they have all of their medical care provided by graduates of their programs.:angryfire

suzanne4, RN · Jun 20, 2008

And if all of you start writing about these scam programs, then perhaps they will start to listen. They cannot even control the RN programs, so what in the world were they thinking?

But I guess that was the problem, they never used their brains.

spongebob6286, BSN, RN · Jun 20, 2008

:yeah:for the very first time i will have to salute the PNA for their stand against LPN.. there are even no jobs for RN, why would CHED would add another bunch of unemployed nurses!!! :argue:

:dncgcpd:

suzanne4, RN · Jun 20, 2008

They are not even recognized for licensure in your country, so there would never be any jobs for them there.

And since there are no jobs in any other country that are available for a visa, it is purely useless to go thru that training. What many of the owners are promising is purely illegal and grounds for being deported for immigration fraud.

Only the owners get anything out of it, and they sell their graduates essentially as slaves to the highest bidder that will bring them to the US illegally.

Shame on them.:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:banghead::banghead::angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire

Hoss · Jun 21, 2008

it is also disheartening to see how clever these lpn, lvn, pn schools appear to represent a solid path to nursing when in fact the degree they confer is worthless for job opportunities that even bsn grads are having trouble finding. for example, the much talked about st. ignatius college in qc offers a nursing care provider (associate science degree in nursing).

it is a 5 trimester program at quezon city for 475,000 pesos.....and a 6th trimester offered : [color=#336699][color=#336699]the tuition for the sixth trimester at university of loyola at cmni is us$14,000.00 (for the nursing care provider program) (excerpt from the bottom of the website)

http://www.stignatiuscollege.com/rates.htm

that 6th trimester adds an additional 618,000 pesos (at 44.20/1.00usd) for a total of 1,093,000.00 pesos!!

thats a powerful amount of money for what appears to be an as degree vs. bsn nursing degree. a bsn degree is required to be qualifed to take the rn licensure exam here in the philippines.

and they indeed are signing up students..........

hoss

Advanced Practice Columnist / Guide · Jun 21, 2008

it is also disheartening to see how clever these lpn, lvn, pn schools appear to represent a solid path to nursing when in fact the degree they confer is worthless for job opportunities that even bsn grads are having trouble finding. for example, the much talked about st. ignatius college in qc offers a nursing care provider (associate science degree in nursing).
it is a 5 trimester program at quezon city for 475,000 pesos.....and a 6th trimester offered : [color=#336699][color=#336699]the tuition for the sixth trimester at university of loyola at cmni is us$14,000.00 (for the nursing care provider program) (excerpt from the bottom of the website)

http://www.stignatiuscollege.com/rates.htm
that 6th trimester adds an additional 618,000 pesos (at 44.20/1.00usd) for a total of 1,093,000.00 pesos!!

thats a powerful amount of money for what appears to be an as degree vs. bsn nursing degree. a bsn degree is required to be qualifed to take the rn licensure exam here in the philippines.

and they indeed are signing up students..........

hoss

on a side note, notice that this school once claimed that they have an affiliation with fresno city college and was actually advertising that students attend college in fresno during their last semester. well, that claim didn't last long, did it? it also turns out, this university of loyola at cnmi is owned and operated by the same people that started st. ignatius in quezon city.

SuesquatchRN, BSN, RN · Jun 21, 2008

It's just so sad to see how universal greed is. These students are desperate for better lives and sacrifice greatly to further themselves and better their own lives and those of their families and all the while they are being lied to and robbed.

Hoss · Jun 21, 2008

that loyola affiliation apparantly is in saipan and seems to be the one that actually gives the assoc. degree in nursing (whatever the hell that is). and please note the clever "we are affiliated with"...and.. that degree is not recognized in the philippines!!!

this is deceptive and downright cruel to those students who think they are getting a legitimate nursing bsn education. note that this school is tesda certified just 2 years ago (for what training..computers mabey?) this is not a ched certified nursing program!

i am particulary amused by the statement :"deaconess college, st. louis missouri will offer bsn nursing to our graduates"....so you get to start all over from the very beginning at a us college? why not choose a bsn program from the very start??

a million pesos for a degree that dosen't count in the philippines and does not allow you to be a nurse in the usa...amazing!!

http://www.stignatiuscollege.com/accreditation.htm

[color=#336699]st. ignatius health science college was granted a permit to operate by tesda in 2006.

[color=#336699]for all inquiries on sihsc and uol cnmi affiliation, please [color=#336699]contact us.

[color=#ffffff]we are affiliated with:

[color=#336699][color=#336699]university of loyola at cnmi - saipan

will grant associate of science degree in nursing to our students who finish the course at uol at cnmi

[color=#336699][color=#336699]deconess college of nursing - st. louis, missouri

will offer bs nursing to our graduates

[color=#336699][color=#336699]st. ignatius health science college of hawaii - honolulu, hawaii

(in formation)

[color=#336699][color=#336699]the following institutions reviewed our curriculum and offered to hire our graduates:

[color=#336699][color=#336699]kaiser permanente medical center - vallejo, california

[color=#336699][color=#336699]gettysberg nursing registry - merced, california

Advanced Practice Columnist / Guide · Jun 21, 2008

I am particulary amused by the statement :"Deaconess College, St. Louis Missouri Will offer BSN Nursing to our graduates"....so you get to start all over from the very beginning at a US College? Why not choose a BSN program from the very start??

...and not only that, St. Ignatius misspelled Deaconess in their website and typed Deconess instead. And you know what's even more amusing? Deaconess College of Nursing doesn't even operate under that name anymore, it's been renamed Chamberlain College of Nursing. The fact is, any nurse who graduates from a US-based ASN or ADN program can apply to any BSN completion degree anywhere. That does not even count as a good sales pitch for this program at St. Ignatius. What St. Ignatius is not telling people in their website is that the associate's degree in nursing does not meet the requirement for RN licensure in the Philippines. If this institution really adheres to ethical practices, they would put a disclaimer to that effect in their website.

poohpappy · Jun 24, 2008

I can't believe why CHED allowed this LPN program.To all those who are planning to take this program, please don't take it. There are no employers in the States who are willing to petition you guys with LPN degree. I haven't heard also of anyone being petitioned as caregivers. I have worked and lived in the States for 7 years already and haven't heard of such foreign recruitments with such degree or certification...whatever you call it. If somebody is recruiting you for work in the States as caregivers or as LPNs, then it is a scam.

suzanne4, RN · Jun 24, 2008

Thank you for posting this. You are 100% correct in the fact that there are no visas available for those that wish to come to the US as an LPN/LVN or caregiver. We do not have shortages in those areas, so no legal visas are being issued now, nor have they ever been.

If an nurse has graduated from a BSN program and then has passed the CGFNS exam, but could not pass the NCLEX-RN exam, you may see some of them working as the LPN; but they were petitioned on the basis of having passed the CGFNS exam to begin with. And another reason why most employers are wanting to see the NCLEX-RN exam passed before they will even start petitioning procedures for anyone.

Coming over to the US on the H2-B is actually immigration fraud and if you see any of these so-called schools still advertising to do this, then please report them to the US Embassy there in Manila right away. That is completely illegal and those that came over under that visa, and are nurses, are being deported now.

But of course those wonderful and upstanding schools are not going to post about that.

They all belong in the Hall of Shame.:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire