Many ADN-BSN online programs tried to deceive students into believing that they can get their BSN from ADN in 13 months or less. That's a lie and false advertisement. They are not telling the whole story.
For example, University of Texas at Arlington advertises this past spring that you can get your degree from ADN to BSN in 13 months. After you enrolled and pay their high tuition rates, they want you to take from them American History I and II, Texas history, and other courses that have nothing to do with Nursing. You can take these same courses from Community Colleges in California at 1/6 their cost, but if you do they may or may not accept them for credit. For example, I have a friend who took US History from a community college. UTA does not accept them for transfer credit. Their Academic Advisors are trained to do what is good for business, and not what is good for you, the student. Be careful and do not fall for their traps! They want you to stay longer in their school, and pay for their courses that nobody wants to take, such as political science, and so forth
I heard that Excelsior College gives you 35 BSN credits for your NCLEX. They don't give you the run around treatment. They are located in Albany, New York. Their tuition is a little higher, but you can graduate sooner with no hassle and stumbling blocks.
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If people do not see the difference or advantage of getting a BSN, then they have only been exposed to the poor programs. We cannot possibly expect to be on the same level with any other healthcare professional (MD, PT, RD, PharmD, etc.) If we do not at least have a basic knowledge in EBR and leadership training, not to mention advanced nursing classes. It is apparently a buyer beware situation.
Holding a BSN and possessing basic knowledge of EBP and leadership training are unrelated to each other.
Holding a BSN and possessing basic knowledge of EBP and leadership training are unrelated to each other.
That is the exact difference between an ADN and a BSN, the basic understanding of EBR/EBP, leadership training, community nursing, and additional nursing classes. People may get some of this experience or knowledge in other places, but most do not and that is the difference in the degrees.
If people do not see the difference or advantage of getting a BSN, then they have only been exposed to the poor programs. We cannot possibly expect to be on the same level with any other healthcare professional (MD, PT, RD, PharmD, etc.) If we do not at least have a basic knowledge in EBR and leadership training, not to mention advanced nursing classes. It is apparently a buyer beware situation.
Anyone who is still saying the drive for BSN's is not purely money-driven, they're either naive or working for the system. Big education and the so-called nursing leaders couldn't give a damn about elevating the profession or students. The only thing they care about is keeping their cushy positions where they produce nothing until they are damn good and ready to retire with fat pensions to match their ample rumps. They have succeeded in closing down many hospital based and associate RN programs therefore leaving prospective nursing students no choice but to have to attend high-priced four year programs. i haven't forgotten about those venal jerks. Just been busy fighting other pieces of idiocy such as sanctuary cities and gender neutral locker rooms that would allow men in women's showers.
i haven't forgotten about those venal jerks. Just been busy fighting other pieces of idiocy such as sanctuary cities and gender neutral locker rooms that would allow men in women's showers.
It used to be that the kind of nursing positions I wanted required a Bachelor's degree. Now that I am $30,000 in debt with my BSN these same positions require that you have a Master's degree.
Anyone who is still saying the drive for BSN's is not purely money-driven, they're either naive or working for the system. Big education and the so-called nursing leaders couldn't give a damn about elevating the profession or students. The only thing they care about is keeping their cushy positions where they produce nothing until they are damn good and ready to retire with fat pensions to match their ample rumps. They have succeeded in closing down many hospital based and associate RN programs therefore leaving prospective nursing students no choice but to have to attend high-priced four year programs. i haven't forgotten about those venal jerks. Just been busy fighting other pieces of idiocy such as sanctuary cities and gender neutral locker rooms that would allow men in women's showers.
Wow. Completely unfounded and naive in-and-of-itself. I started as an ADN and completely see the difference, not because I eventually gained a DNP, but because if you go to any nursing conference, if you practice any type of EBP at the bedside, you will see how APN and BSN's are constantly trying to advance nursing. If not, nurses would be seen as nothing more than techs who shouldn't make more than 25,000 year.
Wow. Completely unfounded and naive in-and-of-itself. I started as an ADN and completely see the difference, not because I eventually gained a DNP, but because if you go to any nursing conference, if you practice any type of EBP at the bedside, you will see how APN and BSN's are constantly trying to advance nursing. If not, nurses would be seen as nothing more than techs who shouldn't make more than 25,000 year.
The only thing they're trying to advance are their own bank accounts. Do some research outside your own little niche and you'll see the proof of what big education is all about. The Center For Investigative Reporting recently published an excellent report about big education and how student loan debt is crippling many college students and grads. Consumer Reports published excerpts from that research in an attempt to warn students and parents. In past posts I talked about the research done on how with the fact baby boomers have aged, enrollments and revenues have declined at many US colleges and universities and how those affiliated with higher education are worried about their jobs as a result. You can flash the DNP title in front of me and others all you want. I am in my early 50's and have done graduate work also as well as have friends who've earned doctorates. Getting into the programs and having dissertations approved has less to do with academic merit and more to do with having friends, connections and associates on the admissions and evaluating committees. Just like getting a decent job, it's not what you know; but rather who you know. Nursing leaders and others associated with big education will lie and try to spin it any way they can to hide the truth from students and parents. It's sickening and they should be ashamed of themselves every time they have to look in a mirror.
I had a friend who's husband's cousin has a doctorate in philosophy, basically bought it online with money he got from big pharma to publish a study on GMOs.
etting into the programs and having dissertations approved has less to do with academic merit and more to do with having friends, connections and associates on the admissions and evaluating committees.
Your rant is just that, a rant. You have not added anything to the conversation but an opinion on what you think may happen from what sounds like a very few experiences.
You have no idea what "niche" I am in or how well traveled and experienced I am to make such a judgment. When I don't know something, I am the first to admit it, but I have been in health care for 25 years and have spent the better part of 7 years dedicated to advancing nursing practice. I have taught continuing education in over 50 hospitals nationwide and I completely understand the value and difference a great education makes. The only reason nurses can do more at the bedside and have become NP's and higher is because of research. Yes, there are some scam strip mall schools out there, but that is a buyer beware situation. That happens in every single discipline.
Your rant is just that, a rant. You have not added anything to the conversation but an opinion on what you think may happen from what sounds like a very few experiences.
You have no idea what "niche" I am in or how well traveled and experienced I am to make such a judgment. When I don't know something, I am the first to admit it, but I have been in health care for 25 years and have spent the better part of 7 years dedicated to advancing nursing practice. I have taught continuing education in over 50 hospitals nationwide and I completely understand the value and difference a great education makes. The only reason nurses can do more at the bedside and have become NP's and higher is because of research. Yes, there are some scam strip mall schools out there, but that is a buyer beware situation. That happens in every single discipline.
I guess you do not know what you don't know.
No, it's not my opinion. It's the truth that came straight from those in higher education who just like the many nurses who are afraid of retribution will not speak out about the blatant tuition gouging of students as well as the many unethical practices engaged in by colleges and universities. Anyone who knows anything about business knows that non-profits only exist in theory. They do make a profit but can't call it that. Many four year college programs are insanely over-priced and deliver very little in the way of preparing graduates for the workplace as well as critical thinking skills in general. I don;t blame those affiliated with higher education for fearing job losses. The university market is worse than it was 20 yrs ago and most teachers are hired as adjunct and teach courses part-time so they will never be eligible for benefits or tenure. This is what those pushing for the BSN are afraid of. Higher education is the biggest racket going today along with health insurance and the ACA; which by the way the ANA supported when they didn't know a damn thing about it. Yeah, great highly educated thinkers, aren't they. When this subject was first presented on this site, the first post I read was from a nurse who said; "how do these idiots expect us to pay for the BSN." My answer was; "Those idiots don't care about you; they only care about advancing themselves, their bank accounts and ensuring themselves a position until retirement."
You have your opinion, and I have mine. The nursing students in the university I teach in are the brightest, most sought after graduates in the state. Our CON prefers to have more professors and not as many adjunct. I know for a fact we create thoughtful, bright, and exceptional critical thinkers. Too bad the instructors you encounter are scared for their jobs, but I find that interesting, why don't they just go back into hospital or community nursing? That is where the real money is, professors get paid the least amount of money for their level of schooling.
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Holding a BSN and possessing basic knowledge of EBP and leadership training are unrelated to each other.