RN, ADN being obsolete

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I recently got in contact with a nursing school (ASA college) inquired regarding a RN program. i was informed by a counselor that they only offer the BSN being that the RN license is becoming obsolete and will be within the next 2 years. Has any nurses or medical professionals heard about this?

That makes sense. I personally am not sure what exact scope of nursing I want to do just yet. I would expect to be treated like a professional no matter what profession I'm in, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. I was a server at one point, and I expected to be treated like a professional (and I was).

Hi ehayes...

I do not want to burst your bubble in any way shape or form, but as an RN to a prospective RN, I must tell you, that from many years of experience, being treated like a professional is something that rarely occurs in nursing. Sorry, its just the nature of the beast. From doctors, to other nurses, to CNAs, family members, and of course, patients, you will be treated somewhere on the spectrum of being the recipient of physically violent behavior, emotional violence, verbal abuse, petty frat/ sorority style drama abuse, cliquey cliques on the job, and organizational abuse (which includes manadatory overtime, last minute cancellations, unsafe staffing, unlawful pay schemes). I've seen it all, done it all, and many days would rather be anywhere but in my nursing scrubs. Just my two cents.

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Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
Just like BSN, some hospitals don't pay higher for certification. Sucks!

Yes, that is true. And some pay higher for both (the hospital I just left, they paid $0.70/hour more for a BSN, and an additional $0.70/hour for a specialty certification.

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Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.
I been wanting to know the difference between a bsn and adn scope of practice. Is the adn limited in the clinical setting?

ADNs are limited in the clinical setting in the sense that some facilities will not hire them. When I graduated, even nursing homes wanted BSNs.

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ADNs are limited in the clinical setting in the sense that some facilities will not hire them. When I graduated, even nursing homes wanted BSNs.

This is a little misleading. ADNs have the exact same scope of practice as BSNs so they are not in any way limited in the clinical setting. In some areas BSNs have an edge in getting hired. Big difference.

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Hi ehayes...

I do not want to burst your bubble in any way shape or form, but as an RN to a prospective RN, I must tell you, that from many years of experience, being treated like a professional is something that rarely occurs in nursing. Sorry, its just the nature of the beast. From doctors, to other nurses, to CNAs, family members, and of course, patients, you will be treated somewhere on the spectrum of being the recipient of physically violent behavior, emotional violence, verbal abuse, petty frat/ sorority style drama abuse, cliquey cliques on the job, and organizational abuse (which includes manadatory overtime, last minute cancellations, unsafe staffing, unlawful pay schemes). I've seen it all, done it all, and many days would rather be anywhere but in my nursing scrubs. Just my two cents.

Not bursting my bubble. It seems to me that you are very obviously unhappy as a nurse.

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Not bursting my bubble. It seems to me that you are very obviously unhappy as a nurse.

I was let down over the years because I believed the false propoganda that nurses were in very high demand here. To this day (Ok if you want to call me a conspiracy theorist) I do believe that there has been a 3 decades long underground plan to socialize medicine in the USA, and for that to succeed, healthcare becomes a charity, which then in turn, needs employees who are willing to work for little to nothing, to support free healthcare for all. So, they begin with the never ending false job ads, fake sign on bonuses click bait, that no one ever gets, establishing more and more nursing schools, churning out nurses at a rate which guarantees supply is much higher than demand, and the end result being nurses desperate for a job, not enough jobs to support the available supply of nurses, which then creates people willing to work for peanuts, and take jobs that once were dived by three people, but now have become one. This is the picture here in PA, and even new grad BSNs are finding unemployment upon graduation, LPNs have left the field, RNs are doing LPN work, and overall great harm has come to the profession as a result. With all the bureacracy in this state, one would think there would be some type of control over saturation of a job market....yet that is exactly what was intended.

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Not bursting my bubble. It seems to me that you are very obviously unhappy as a nurse.

Its also important to say that I went into this to be the sole supporter of my household, not make side money. I have told people considering this as a career, to think long and hard before taking out loans, and if you think you will be able to be the sole supporter of your household as a nurse, then your head is stuck where the sun dont shine. Sorry, to put it politley, its become a retirement career, side money, gig economy, but nothing remotely solid , steady or reliable.

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I was let down over the years because I believed the false propoganda that nurses were in very high demand here. To this day (Ok if you want to call me a conspiracy theorist) I do believe that there has been a 3 decades long underground plan to socialize medicine in the USA, and for that to succeed, healthcare becomes a charity, which then in turn, needs employees who are willing to work for little to nothing, to support free healthcare for all. So, they begin with the never ending false job ads, fake sign on bonuses click bait, that no one ever gets, establishing more and more nursing schools, churning out nurses at a rate which guarantees supply is much higher than demand, and the end result being nurses desperate for a job, not enough jobs to support the available supply of nurses, which then creates people willing to work for peanuts, and take jobs that once were dived by three people, but now have become one. This is the picture here in PA, and even new grad BSNs are finding unemployment upon graduation, LPNs have left the field, RNs are doing LPN work, and overall great harm has come to the profession as a result. With all the bureacracy in this state, one would think there would be some type of control over saturation of a job market....yet that is exactly what was intended.

That's interesting insight, and I'm sure you would know much more than I would about this subject. Thank you for your insight, genuinely.

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ADNs are limited in the clinical setting in the sense that some facilities will not hire them. When I graduated, even nursing homes wanted BSNs.

Yes I agree with the hiring process. Although the clinical experience is the same; administration prefers hiring bsn over adn's. Maybe they think bsn nurses have more schooling time which equates to them more knowledge. What do you think?

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Specializes in corrections and LTC.

If 100 nurses came to Wyoming, let's say a mixture of BSNs, ADNs, and LPNs, they would all find jobs within a month, tops. Yes, we do have a nursing shortage here, and it is severe. We also have a serious shortage of CNAs, so please bring them too. One of our magnet hospitals hires BSNs, ADNs, and LPNs. Take your choice of applying at hospitals, surgical centers, physician's offices, home health, hospice, LTC, community health, assisted living, prisons, jails, psych, schools, VA clinics/hospitals/nursing homes, Indian Health Centers, oncology centers, public health, state home for the developmentally disabled, etc. Need I go on? OK - insurance companies doing assessments, black lung programs, again etc. Many of these places are offering significant sign on bonuses and are still not able to recruit enough nurses.

I am on my 10th day out of 13 without a day off. My daughter works at least four 12 hour shifts/wk at the hospital because of the bonuses and overtime for picking up 4 shifts a week until the start of the new year. Do I want to be working today? No. I am 60 years old and would like to be at home with my feet up. However, until we can hire another nurse to help cover shifts those of us that are working will have to be here. Maybe, just maybe, we will hire a nurse that just moved here from another state when she comes for her interview on Monday.

As for degrees? I have an ADN, and for most of my career have been a Health Services Administrator. My experience got me the job, the fact that I am good at it has kept me in that position until a couple of years ago, when due to my health, I wanted to cut back on stress and hours. Well, cutting back on stress worked, but as it is day 10.........so much for cutting back on hours. I have been a Health Service Administrator in several states, so it wasn't just one state where I could find a job. I also was a traveling Health Services Administrator. I have worked hospitals, LTC, home health, hospice, facilities for the developmentally disabled, prison, jails and I think that is is. I have not gone back to get my BSN because I do not need it for my job and have no intention of applying for a job where it is needed. I am on the downside of my career and will do just fine with my ADN. My daughter, who has an ADN and is taking classes towards her BSN, has been offered charge positions and a Nursing Supervisor position at the local magnet hospital.

After my long post, I guess what I want to say is look at the area where you live before you make your decision about nursing school and your degree. If your area is saturated with nurses, are you willing to move? If not, what can you do to get an advantage over some of the other applicants? Can you work as a CNA, or volunteer? That helps to get to know the staff and the managers. It is not a guaranteed foot in the door, but it may help. Look outside of the box - hospitals aren't the be all and end all. If your heart is set on working in a hospital that is great. If not? Check out psych hospitals. Check out working in a prison - you see absolutely everything under the sun in prisons, and are protected by the officers. It is a great career path.

Good luck to you!

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If 100 nurses came to Wyoming, let's say a mixture of BSNs, ADNs, and LPNs, they would all find jobs within a month, tops. Yes, we do have a nursing shortage here, and it is severe. We also have a serious shortage of CNAs, so please bring them too. One of our magnet hospitals hires BSNs, ADNs, and LPNs. Take your choice of applying at hospitals, surgical centers, physician's offices, home health, hospice, LTC, community health, assisted living, prisons, jails, psych, schools, VA clinics/hospitals/nursing homes, Indian Health Centers, oncology centers, public health, state home for the developmentally disabled, etc. Need I go on? OK - insurance companies doing assessments, black lung programs, again etc. Many of these places are offering significant sign on bonuses and are still not able to recruit enough nurses.

I am on my 10th day out of 13 without a day off. My daughter works at least four 12 hour shifts/wk at the hospital because of the bonuses and overtime for picking up 4 shifts a week until the start of the new year. Do I want to be working today? No. I am 60 years old and would like to be at home with my feet up. However, until we can hire another nurse to help cover shifts those of us that are working will have to be here. Maybe, just maybe, we will hire a nurse that just moved here from another state when she comes for her interview on Monday.

As for degrees? I have an ADN, and for most of my career have been a Health Services Administrator. My experience got me the job, the fact that I am good at it has kept me in that position until a couple of years ago, when due to my health, I wanted to cut back on stress and hours. Well, cutting back on stress worked, but as it is day 10.........so much for cutting back on hours. I have been a Health Service Administrator in several states, so it wasn't just one state where I could find a job. I also was a traveling Health Services Administrator. I have worked hospitals, LTC, home health, hospice, facilities for the developmentally disabled, prison, jails and I think that is is. I have not gone back to get my BSN because I do not need it for my job and have no intention of applying for a job where it is needed. I am on the downside of my career and will do just fine with my ADN. My daughter, who has an ADN and is taking classes towards her BSN, has been offered charge positions and a Nursing Supervisor position at the local magnet hospital.

After my long post, I guess what I want to say is look at the area where you live before you make your decision about nursing school and your degree. If your area is saturated with nurses, are you willing to move? If not, what can you do to get an advantage over some of the other applicants? Can you work as a CNA, or volunteer? That helps to get to know the staff and the managers. It is not a guaranteed foot in the door, but it may help. Look outside of the box - hospitals aren't the be all and end all. If your heart is set on working in a hospital that is great. If not? Check out psych hospitals. Check out working in a prison - you see absolutely everything under the sun in prisons, and are protected by the officers. It is a great career path.

Good luck to you!

This!^^

I'm always amazed when I see posts about the lack of nursing jobs. In rural Colorado/New Mexico (the area where I live) there are tons of available jobs. They are also in the cities here, especially if you're willing to work in LTC or home health.

I used to work in accounting, and the jobs I was able to get in Chicago were entirely different than the ones I would have been able to get in a rural area like where I live now. The reason isn't the same (there just aren't high-paying corporate finance jobs in rural Colorado), but the point being that mobility is sometimes necessary to work the kind of job you want.

I think you can be picky about job or location, but you can't always be picky about both. I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that nursing is a field where there's no shortage, because a shortage definitely exists in many parts of the country. I dare say most of the country - particularly areas between the two coasts.

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I was let down over the years because I believed the false propoganda that nurses were in very high demand here. To this day (Ok if you want to call me a conspiracy theorist) I do believe that there has been a 3 decades long underground plan to socialize medicine in the USA, and for that to succeed, healthcare becomes a charity, which then in turn, needs employees who are willing to work for little to nothing, to support free healthcare for all. So, they begin with the never ending false job ads, fake sign on bonuses click bait, that no one ever gets, establishing more and more nursing schools, churning out nurses at a rate which guarantees supply is much higher than demand, and the end result being nurses desperate for a job, not enough jobs to support the available supply of nurses, which then creates people willing to work for peanuts, and take jobs that once were dived by three people, but now have become one. This is the picture here in PA, and even new grad BSNs are finding unemployment upon graduation, LPNs have left the field, RNs are doing LPN work, and overall great harm has come to the profession as a result. With all the bureacracy in this state, one would think there would be some type of control over saturation of a job market....yet that is exactly what was intended.

I work in a nation with universal healthcare.

I can assure you that I do not "work for nothing". As an LPN I make more per hour even allowing for the exchange rate than many RNs who work in the US.

There is no such thing as "free healthcare for all". It 's paid for by everyone. Tax dollars.

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