Ritttenhouse Trial

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The Rittenhouse trial has begun in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The prosecution is presenting first, but apparently the defense argument will be self-defense. So a 17 year old travels out of state with his rifle to a demonstration because he fears for his life? 

 

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41 minutes ago, chare said:

Actually, when you say "22," if you are referring to the .22 rimfire round, then the AR 15 is not "essentially a .22 but with semi-auto function."  Nor does the fact that a weapon is single shot make it any less lethal.  And, as for the AR 15 that Mr. Rittenhouse used, it was a semi-automatic, not automatic weapon, meaning that only one round was fired for each pull of the trigger.  An automatic weapon would fire multiple rounds with a single pull of the trigger.

Although a common misconception, automatic weapons aren't "capable of killing several people at once."  

I completely agree with @toomuchbaloney that Mr. Rittenhouse in no way assisted the Kenosha police department.

AR-15s are actually .22 caliber rifles (some are chambered to 5.56 NATO rounds although those are also .22 caliber).  The Colt and S&W take standards .22 cal rounds.

And you may have misread me, I referred to it as semi-auto not full auto.

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31 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

AR-15s are actually .22 caliber rifles (some are chambered to 5.56 NATO rounds although those are also .22 caliber).  The Colt and S&W take standards .22 cal rounds.

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The AR 15 is chambered in 5.56 NATO (.223 Remington).  And while several manufacturers offer .22 rimfire replica AR 15s, they are generally designated as something other then AR 15 (e.g., Colt M4 Carbine, S&W M&P 15-22).  When someone hears AR 15 I suspect it is a near universal reaction that they will assume it refers to the one chambered in 5.56 NATO (.223 Remington).

40 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

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And you may have misread me, I referred to it as semi-auto not full auto.

I'm aware that you referred to it as "semi-auto function."  My response quoted both you and @Fran L.

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I'm not mad at him.  He's just a kid enjoying the limelight when there aren't many options out there for him.

But to be paraded around conservative conferences and get standing ovations is a bit much.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/politics/arizona_politics/rittenhouse-gets-standing-ovation-at-conservative-conference-in-phoenix/article_8929e08a-19f7-5a3d-b136-21f9ae738be3.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=user-share&fbclid=IwAR3a_cS58kPHG7hb7zKBw0-t4-3r_z4Nxycn2t-ioJPnZxb9X0dbdYBMGTk

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Yes, I agree and he is just getting his 15 minutes before he has to go back to his dull, limited life.  Only people with the gun fetish hold him up as a hero.

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On 11/27/2021 at 2:08 PM, subee said:

The police do not want nor need random children to help them.  They do not want children loose with guns in a highly volatile riot. That only increases the odds that things will go badly. It would have been more helpful fe the cops to admit their employee was wrong to shoot the man in the back and fire the bad apple.  Maybe this could all have been prevented.

TRUE.

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Dominick Black, who bought Kyle Rittenhouse the gun used in Kenosha shootings, has taken a plea deal

No longer faces criminal charges; will plead no contest to a county ordinance citation of contributing to the delinquency of a child and face a $2,000 fine.

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15 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Dominick Black, who bought Kyle Rittenhouse the gun used in Kenosha shootings, has taken a plea deal

No longer faces criminal charges; will plead no contest to a county ordinance citation of contributing to the delinquency of a child and face a $2,000 fine.

Thanks for bringing that full circle.  

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12 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Dominick Black, who bought Kyle Rittenhouse the gun used in Kenosha shootings, has taken a plea deal

No longer faces criminal charges; will plead no contest to a county ordinance citation of contributing to the delinquency of a child and face a $2,000 fine.

It reads like that is realistically the best prosecutors can do.  $2000, at least, is probably a meaningful sum of money to this loser.

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3 minutes ago, subee said:

It reads like that is realistically the best prosecutors can do.  $2000, at least, is probably a meaningful sum of money to this loser.

He's just another young man whose gun culture has caused him to justify law breaking...starting at low levels like straw purchases...all in the name of freedom to own guns and carry firearms. This is just more evidence that the same gun culture that looks past law breaking and reckless behavior of gun owners is heavily involved in writing our laws. 

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“We are going to hold everybody who’s lied about me accountable, such as everybody who’s lied, called me a white supremacist. They’re all going to be held accountable, and we’re going to handle them in a courtroom.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg

Part of me is sympathetic to him being just 19 and having to endure all this scrutiny in the public eye and being called things prior to being declared innocent and after.  The other part of me questions his and the adults around him  motives for going there in the first place and that he killed three people in self-defense. He can't erase that three people died. He's not a total victim.  I think people are entitled to comment on that.  I do think calling him a murderer when he committed the acts in self-defense isn't right.   

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11 minutes ago, Tweety said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/22/kyle-rittenhouse-initiative-targets-media-whoopi-goldberg

Part of me is sympathetic to him being just 19 and having to endure all this scrutiny in the public eye and being called things prior to being declared innocent and after.  The other part of me questions his and the adults around him  motives for going there in the first place and that he killed three people in self-defense. He can't erase that three people died. He's not a total victim.  I think people are entitled to comment on that.  I do think calling him a murderer when he committed the acts in self-defense isn't right.   

He is legally an adult.  It wasn't a peanut butter sandwich he toted with him to take to a violent demonstration.  Do you really believe that a bullet to a skateboarder was commensurate force?  By bringing a rifle to the event, he planned on possible using it.  Our legal code distinguishes between robbery and armed robbery because they ARE separate offenses.  He brought this on himself because he had no business being there , much less with a weapon as lethal as firepower.

 

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2 minutes ago, subee said:

He is legally an adult.  It wasn't a peanut butter sandwich he toted with him to take to a violent demonstration.  Do you really believe that a bullet to a skateboarder was commensurate force? ...

I don't.  But, it doesn't matter what any of us think.  Ehat mattered is what the jurors that heard the case thought, and they obviously thought that the perceived threat was enough to justify the use of deadly force.

4 minutes ago, subee said:

... He brought this on himself because he had no business being there , much less with a weapon as lethal as firepower.

This I agree with.  He placed himself, voluntarily, with a weapon, in a volatile situation.  

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