Ritttenhouse Trial

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The Rittenhouse trial has begun in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The prosecution is presenting first, but apparently the defense argument will be self-defense. So a 17 year old travels out of state with his rifle to a demonstration because he fears for his life? 

 

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are free to trust the judge.  Clearly, he runs a very unusual court room and the judge's own judgement was put on display in very uncomfortable ways for the fellow.  I suspect that the scrutiny will result in his retirement sooner rather than later. Qualifications and experience weren't the only things observed in that courtroom.

Do you have some kind of expert qualifications to add credibility to these opinions?

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

But many social conservatives do think he should be elevated in that way...

This statement is a mischaracterization of the way that social conservatives think.  

According to the most relevant definitions of the word “should,” it is used to express an “obligation or duty”; a “probability or expectation.”

As a social conservative myself, I would not object to Rittenhouse in any of the aforementioned roles, but I don’t believe that there is any obligation, duty or expectation for anyone to place Rittenhouse in any of the roles described, nor any others.  Nor do I believe that “many” other social conservatives think this way either.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/should

 

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29 minutes ago, InHisImage said:

 

You are entitled to your opinion.  Do you think that you are representative of the majority of social conservatives? Because some famous social conservatives are certainly elevating Rittenhouse in their public discourse and that seems to be very popular among their voting base.  

44 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Do you have some kind of expert qualifications to add credibility to these opinions?

Just the same kind of credibility the average AN member enjoys. Did you misunderstand me to imply or indicate that I possessed some expertise beyond following the case closely? 

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53 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Do you have some kind of expert qualifications to add credibility to these opinions?

I don't think the statement you quoted requires any "expert qualifications" other than being well read and well informed.  Sometimes this is how we lay people form our opinions.  Sometimes we just speculate based on our feelings and what we are in the know about.  Obviously two different people reading the same thing will have gut feeling reactions and opinions that differ.

I respect you for doing such,as was as TMB and most of us here.  I think we're all nurses and certainly not experts in courtroom law.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are entitled to your opinion.  Do you think that you are representative of the majority of social conservatives? Because some famous social conservatives are certainly elevating Rittenhouse in their public discourse and that seems to be very popular among their voting base.  

Of course there are outliers as there are in any group or situation,  but remember that the vast majority of social conservatives are not those who are famous, so I do think that I’m generally representative of many social conservatives.

Famous people, conservative or not, tend to be better situated to take advantage of people like Rittenhouse, so it doesn’t surprise me that he would be “elevated” as you have described it since it has happened so often with others on both sides of the aisle before.

As for specific “famous social conservatives” public discourse, I’d have to know what you are referring to in order to comment further.

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1 hour ago, InHisImage said:

Of course there are outliers as there are in any group or situation,  but remember that the vast majority of social conservatives are not those who are famous, so I do think that I’m generally representative of many social conservatives.

Famous people, conservative or not, tend to be better situated to take advantage of people like Rittenhouse, so it doesn’t surprise me that he would be “elevated” as you have described it since it has happened so often with others on both sides of the aisle before.

As for specific “famous social conservatives” public discourse, I’d have to know what you are referring to in order to comment further.

You didn't read about Representative Gaetz talking about an internship for the shooter? I did appreciate the "both sides" comment surfacing in this discussion.  I'm having trouble recalling the last time that the left side of the political aisle wanted to turn a killer into a celebrity.  Maybe you could help me out. 

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15 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Okay, the charge of carrying an illegal weapon was dismissed. The acquitted attended a protest, with a rifle, after curfew. Two people died  and another was shot. If he hadn't been armed, they wouldn't have been shot, at least by him. I think that it not only "wasn't the best choice", it was stupid, naive, poorly thought out choice that resulted in death and permanent disability. 

So again, do you think there should be any negative consequences? 

You can think it was stupid and naive all you want, and it obviously was. According to him he was asked/hired to do security bc of the rioting the night before and was expected again (which did happen). So yeah, a stupid kid who thought he could protect his community, not something I would have done. But not sure why you continue to think he didn’t have a right to defend himself, which clearly he was. So no, I don’t think there should be any further consequences for him that he already hasn’t experienced. He/his family have financial obligations for attorneys (they were shut down on crowd sourcing), he has been smeared by politicians, celebrities and the media as a white supremacist, domestic terrorist etc, (both prior to and now after the trial that found him not guilty), and he has had to worry that he could get life in prison for over a year. All because some rioters came after him and he defended himself. So if you are going to say that he should not have been there (to do good, whether dumb or not) how much more should we say that the rioters should not have been in the first place either (not to do good), and then came after him. 

IMO, all those politicians, celebrities and “reporters” who spread half truths and lies for political/agenda purposes should be held accountable and should suffer consequences themselves. They spew lies and there is zero accountability. These lies then get people riled up and next thing ya know people are rioting, looting, tearing down statues, burning cities, wounding/killing people. Not sure how anyone can think that Rittenhouse should suffer any further consequences while these vile people continue to cause so much pain and suffering in our society. And again, I would ask why the rioting was allowed to happen/continue in the first place. Our elites have no problem protecting themselves but do not seem to care about our cities, property, people etc.
So no, I do not think he should suffer any further consequences, I think he has suffered enough!

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3 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

IMO, all those politicians, celebrities and “reporters” who spread half truths and lies for political/agenda purposes should be held accountable and should suffer consequences themselves. They spew lies and there is zero accountability. These lies then get people riled up and next thing ya know people are rioting, looting, tearing down statues, burning cities, wounding/killing people. 

A really good example of that kind of incitement to dangerous and violent behavior was January 6, 2021. There's a bipartisan Congressional Committee investigating that although some members of the GOP insist that event was just a simple protest and nothing more.  It will be interesting to see if the fellow responsible for the lies that riled that mob up will be held accountable. 

There's little doubt that Rittenhouse is going to continue to suffer the after effects of killing two people with a gun he was too young to carry. We live in a society that expects civil law to bring a type of justice to these matters. 

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9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

A really good example of that kind of incitement to dangerous and violent behavior was January 6, 2021. There's a bipartisan Congressional Committee investigating that although some members of the GOP insist that event was just a simple protest and nothing more.  It will be interesting to see if the fellow responsible for the lies that riled that mob up will be held accountable. 

This is a thread about the Rittenhouse trial.  You seem very interested in the January 6th protest.  You should start a seperate thread on that topic.

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10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

A really good example of that kind of incitement…

I don’t see how anyone can read “incitement” into that.  On the contrary, it’s clear to me that it’s a condemnation of rioting, looting, etc.

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58 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

You can think it was stupid and naive all you want, and it obviously was. According to him he was asked/hired to do security bc of the rioting the night before and was expected again (which did happen). So yeah, a stupid kid who thought he could protect his community, not something I would have done. But not sure why you continue to think he didn’t have a right to defend himself, which clearly he was. So no, I don’t think there should be any further consequences for him that he already hasn’t experienced. He/his family have financial obligations for attorneys (they were shut down on crowd sourcing), he has been smeared by politicians, celebrities and the media as a white supremacist, domestic terrorist etc, (both prior to and now after the trial that found him not guilty), and he has had to worry that he could get life in prison for over a year. All because some rioters came after him and he defended himself. So if you are going to say that he should not have been there (to do good, whether dumb or not) how much more should we say that the rioters should not have been in the first place either (not to do good), and then came after him. 

IMO, all those politicians, celebrities and “reporters” who spread half truths and lies for political/agenda purposes should be held accountable and should suffer consequences themselves. They spew lies and there is zero accountability. These lies then get people riled up and next thing ya know people are rioting, looting, tearing down statues, burning cities, wounding/killing people. Not sure how anyone can think that Rittenhouse should suffer any further consequences while these vile people continue to cause so much pain and suffering in our society. And again, I would ask why the rioting was allowed to happen/continue in the first place. Our elites have no problem protecting themselves but do not seem to care about our cities, property, people etc.
So no, I do not think he should suffer any further consequences, I think he has suffered enough!

He wasn't from Kenosha so it wasn't his community protect.

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52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

A really good example of that kind of incitement to dangerous and violent behavior was January 6, 2021. There's a bipartisan Congressional Committee investigating that although some members of the GOP insist that event was just a simple protest and nothing more.  It will be interesting to see if the fellow responsible for the lies that riled that mob up will be held accountable. 

There's little doubt that Rittenhouse is going to continue to suffer the after effects of killing two people with a gun he was too young to carry. We live in a society that expects civil law to bring a type of justice to these matters. 

While I agree with Beerman that you should start your own thread I will humor you anyway.

You are making part of my point here. Yes, the liberal elites are definitely taking care of themselves. But, where are they when they should be taking care of ‘we the people’ and that means all people, not just other people that they can use to their benefit. And, like I said, they had zero problem putting up a wall (with razor wire no less) around the capital and getting the national guard (with guns no less) to protect themselves. Why are they not stopping all the riots ( Kenosha and other places) and daily killings in certain places like Chicago for instance. Why are they not concerned about all the lawbreakers flooding the southern border (and with no vaccine!). Why no Congressional Committee  ?? There is an investigation into Jan 6 and people are still sitting in jail since Jan 6 for the charge of trespassing. Maybe these same politicians who are so concerned about that should worry just as much, if not more, about the other law breakers and violence that just keeps going on and on. 
 

https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/
 

https://www.westernjournal.com/jaw-dropping-comparison-pits-jan-6-george-floyd-riots-difference-couldnt-clearer/

21 minutes ago, subee said:

He wasn't from Kenosha so it wasn't his community protect.

He had family and friends in Kenosha including his Dad, so yeah it was his community.

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