Ritttenhouse Trial

[nursej22]

The Rittenhouse trial has begun in Kenosha, Wisconsin. The prosecution is presenting first, but apparently the defense argument will be self-defense. So a 17 year old travels out of state with his rifle to a demonstration because he fears for his life? 

 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

You can think it was stupid and naive all you want, and it obviously was. According to him he was asked/hired to do security bc of the rioting the night before and was expected again (which did happen). So yeah, a stupid kid who thought he could protect his community, not something I would have done. But not sure why you continue to think he didn’t have a right to defend himself, which clearly he was. So no, I don’t think there should be any further consequences for him that he already hasn’t experienced. He/his family have financial obligations for attorneys (they were shut down on crowd sourcing), he has been smeared by politicians, celebrities and the media as a white supremacist, domestic terrorist etc, (both prior to and now after the trial that found him not guilty), and he has had to worry that he could get life in prison for over a year. All because some rioters came after him and he defended himself. So if you are going to say that he should not have been there (to do good, whether dumb or not) how much more should we say that the rioters should not have been in the first place either (not to do good), and then came after him. 

IMO, all those politicians, celebrities and “reporters” who spread half truths and lies for political/agenda purposes should be held accountable and should suffer consequences themselves. They spew lies and there is zero accountability. These lies then get people riled up and next thing ya know people are rioting, looting, tearing down statues, burning cities, wounding/killing people. Not sure how anyone can think that Rittenhouse should suffer any further consequences while these vile people continue to cause so much pain and suffering in our society. And again, I would ask why the rioting was allowed to happen/continue in the first place. Our elites have no problem protecting themselves but do not seem to care about our cities, property, people etc.
So no, I do not think he should suffer any further consequences, I think he has suffered enough!

Yes, the acquitted is the actual victim out of all of this. Not the dead, the maimed, or their families.

I hope this young man is getting counseling and that some responsive person in his life can shield him from the hucksters. 

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

"Why the rioting and looting was allowed to happen in the first place"?

Anyone want to take this question on?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

I hope this young man is getting counseling and that some responsive person in his life can shield him from the hucksters. 

I hope so.  He's had plenty of celebrities and politicians on his side hailing him as a hero and plenty of money for his legal defense went his way.  

His life is ruined and he's acquitted and there is no need for him to suffer any more.  I hope as he moves forward those that give him so much kudos pay concern for his mental health in the aftermath of trying to make a life for himself.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

This is a thread about the Rittenhouse trial.  You seem very interested in the January 6th protest.  You should start a seperate thread on that topic.

No need ... I did make a relevant comparison...unless conservatives are comfortable with obvious double standards for conduct and accountability...all based upon partisan politics. Comparisons are helpful tools in discussion. 

7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

"Why the rioting and looting was allowed to happen in the first place"?

Anyone want to take this question on?

Seems like a different thread. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Seems like a different thread. 

Yeah it's a very irrelevant question anywhere.  There were riots and they were wrong and shouldn't have happened.  A 17 year old with a gun shouldn't have been there.

They happened and he was.  Why deflect away from those truths.

[Daisy4RN]

Just wondering how some of you might react if someone was attempting to kill you. Doesn’t seem like rocket science that you would probably defend yourself; but maybe not, maybe you would just let them attack you IDK. Most people would indeed defend themselves. And most people who are put in that position do not want to kill anyone else and yes they do have to live with it.  It was a bad decision for anyone to be there but it was not Rittenhouse who went after others, it was others who came after him, one ceases to be a  “victim” when one attacks first!

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Just wondering how some of you might react if someone was attempting to kill you. Doesn’t seem like rocket science that you would probably defend yourself; but maybe not, maybe you would just let them attack you IDK. Most people would indeed defend themselves. And most people who are put in that position do not want to kill anyone else and yes they do have to live with it.  It was a bad decision for anyone to be there but it was not Rittenhouse who went after others, it was others who came after him, one ceases to be a  “victim” when one attacks first!

Rosenbaum was unarmed and smaller than Rittenhouse.  Doesn't the fellow who brought the gun into the situation have any obligation to a) not engage in provocative or threatening behavior or b) exhaust all other non lethal options before escalation to deadly force? 

Rosenbaum never touched Rittenhouse.  In my book, that doesn't count as an attack.  The other attacks occurred because the protesters viewed Rittenhouse as an active shooter and potentially a continued threat.  The jury saw it differently.  

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

3 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

While I agree with Beerman that you should start your own thread I will humor you anyway.

You are making part of my point here. Yes, the liberal elites are definitely taking care of themselves. But, where are they when they should be taking care of ‘we the people’ and that means all people, not just other people that they can use to their benefit. And, like I said, they had zero problem putting up a wall (with razor wire no less) around the capital and getting the national guard (with guns no less) to protect themselves. Why are they not stopping all the riots ( Kenosha and other places) and daily killings in certain places like Chicago for instance. Why are they not concerned about all the lawbreakers flooding the southern border (and with no vaccine!). Why no Congressional Committee  ?? There is an investigation into Jan 6 and people are still sitting in jail since Jan 6 for the charge of trespassing. Maybe these same politicians who are so concerned about that should worry just as much, if not more, about the other law breakers and violence that just keeps going on and on. 
 

https://www.westernjournal.com/blms-mostly-peaceful-riots-cost-1000x-damage-jan-6-capitol-unrest/
 

https://www.westernjournal.com/jaw-dropping-comparison-pits-jan-6-george-floyd-riots-difference-couldnt-clearer/

He had family and friends in Kenosha including his Dad, so yeah it was his community.

No one was actually attacking HIS town where he lived.  I have friends in the burbs but I don't pay taxes their town because it's not my town.  I have friends all over the country but would never pack an automatic weapon to drive to their state to  "protect" them .  That's the act of a paranoid idiot.  

[Daisy4RN]

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Rosenbaum was unarmed and smaller than Rittenhouse.  Doesn't the fellow who brought the gun into the situation have any obligation to a) not engage in provocative or threatening behavior or b) exhaust all other non lethal options before escalation to deadly force? 

Rosenbaum never touched Rittenhouse.  In my book, that doesn't count as an attack.  The other attacks occurred because the protesters viewed Rittenhouse as an active shooter and potentially a continued threat.  The jury saw it differently.  

Your last sentence is the bottom line! The jury saw all the evidence (not snippets on the news) and found him not guilty based on the law. It doesn’t matter if it was his community or not (his Dad lived there and he was there often to see family, it was 20mim from his mothers house) or whether Rosenbaum touched him or not. It matters what the law says. Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse, chased him and did not stop even while Kyle was yelling “friendly friendly” and tried to grab Kyles gun. The jury agreed with the defense teams evidence, end of story!
 

 

28 minutes ago, subee said:

No one was actually attacking HIS town where he lived.  I have friends in the burbs but I don't pay taxes their town because it's not my town.  I have friends all over the country but would never pack an automatic weapon to drive to their state to  "protect" them .  That's the act of a paranoid idiot.  

The town was literally on fire and destroyed, that is not paranoia. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

The town was literally on fire and destroyed, that is not paranoia. 

The town was not destroyed.  Don't be dramatic and spread misinformation.  But yes, it was big news and said countless times in this thread alone, there was violence and arson.  We know this.  

Shame on any adults that enabled a 17 year old boy to go in there to act all heroic.  

  Some focus on the riots themselves and others focus on a 17 year old armed boy being there to help protect people and property, but armchair it all we want, there was a riot and he was there.  Both situations are wrong.

 

[Daisy4RN]

OK, a large part w

9 minutes ago, Tweety said:

The town was not destroyed.  Don't be dramatic and spread misinformation.  But yes, as was big news and said countless times in this thread alone, there was violence and arson.  We know this.  

If there was any arson and destruction of property which includes people losing their livelihoods then the point still remains, it was not paranoia and Kyle was there to protect the community he had many ties to including his father. And If the police or national guard had been there it would have stopped and no one would have felt the need to protect property. 
 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/09/12/cha-ching-rioting-damage-in-kenosha-forces-city-leaders-to-ask-for-federal-help-n2576102

[toomuchbaloney]

53 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

The jury agreed with the defense teams evidence, end of story!

That's right.  That story will continue to be the topic of discussion...for obvious reasons...and people like you and me are going to share thinking and opinions about the evidence and the jury's acquittal.  I don't depend upon snippets to inform myself.  I watched the trial. 

Are you upset that some of us find the acquittal troubling?