Riots in Minneapolis

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Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.

I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.

That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.

If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.

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After last evening’s fiasco with Trump ordering troops to tear gas and shoot rubber bullets into a crowd of peaceful protesters at 1830 so he could stand in front of a church ... there is no right to peaceful assembly anymore. Our country just went up in flames by the person who was supposed to protect it, and ALL the American people, the most.

It seems almost ridiculous that we are all sitting here, debating looting and rioting ... and then such a display of force is seen by the main office. And, a 1/3 of the country is OK with this? May we look after all of our brothers and sisters, may change finally happen, may something turn right ... because something is so wrong that we may not survive this.

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14 hours ago, ladyinwaiting said:

So the autopsy report came out today, check out NYTimes. Death by asphyxiation. Different than what was previously claimed. ?

That doesn't really change the game. Mechanism of disease or injury aside, the DA still has to prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd in order for the 3rd degree murder charge to stick.

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15 minutes ago, cyc0sys said:

That doesn't really change the game. Mechanism of disease or injury aside, the DA still has to prove Chauvin intended to kill Floyd in order for the 3rd degree murder charge to stick.

Actually, no, the da does not have to prove intent to kill. And that’s the rationale behind the 3rd degree charge.

“Third-degree murder, by contrast, applies to anyone who “causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.”

So, to convict Chauvin of third-degree murder, prosecutors do not need to show that he wanted George Floyd to die — an inherently difficult thing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. They need to show that kneeling on someone’s neck for nearly nine minutes, as that person begs for their life, is “eminently dangerous” and shows a “depraved mind.””

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/1/21276936/derek-chauvin-charges-third-degree-murder-explained-george-floyd

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15 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Black people don't get any justice then...in the courts or in the law. Too bad for them, I guess.

The white supremacists would love for this to escalate into a race war. The only war we are going to have is against their continued power and influence in "polite" society.

There has always been a 3 tier 'justice' system in this country: rules for the rich, rules for the poor, and rules for the police.

In fact, we've been at war in this country for a long time and you don't even know it.

War on Poverty - Increased poverty and the Welfare State

War on Crime - Increased incarceration for non-violent offenders

War on Drugs - Increased amount of drugs on the street and militarization of the police state

War on Education - Increased cost of college and student debt

What you're seeing is class war disguised as an impending 'race war' brokered by the financial elite who profit from the system.

They need another smoke screen for their soft coup against the peasants to keep them fearful, as they raid the financial coffers of the Treasury Department during COVID-19.

Don't let your 'white supremacist' confirmation bias obfuscate the true agenda of dividing the people along lines of color for power and financial gains.

One only has to ask, "Who profits from this?" to understand the driving force behind these crisis.

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31 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

Actually, no, the da does not have to prove intent to kill. And that’s the rationale behind the 3rd degree charge.

“Third-degree murder, by contrast, applies to anyone who “causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.”

So, to convict Chauvin of third-degree murder, prosecutors do not need to show that he wanted George Floyd to die — an inherently difficult thing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. They need to show that kneeling on someone’s neck for nearly nine minutes, as that person begs for their life, is “eminently dangerous” and shows a “depraved mind.””

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/1/21276936/derek-chauvin-charges-third-degree-murder-explained-george-floyd

I stand corrected. However, I still believe it to be a “legally defective” charge as the article below states. The defense will argue the officer was simply restraining Floyd and was unaware of the resulting injury due a 'lack of training' e.g "if you can talk, you can breath".

http://www.citypages.com/news/experts-derek-chauvin-will-likely-beat-third-degree-murder-charge/570918851

A similar case in Maryland, resulted in no convictions against 3 off-duty cops who killed a developmentally disabled man because he wouldn't leave the movie theater after the showing was over.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/syndrome-man-movies-ends-morgue/story?id=20046376

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cyc0sys, yeah, the city pages article clearly outlines the problems with the 3rd degree charges. The vox article mentioned the potential to upgrade but didn’t give as much detail.

Based on the video, chauvin belongs behind bars for life. The sheer volume of footage doesn’t appear to show any mitigating circumstances, but juries are notoriously fickle. Hope this doesn’t turn into yet another travesty of justice.

On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2020 at 1:52 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

The economic disparity is part of the institutional racism that permeates this country. Failing public schools in poor neighborhoods is proof of the institutional racism that permeates our society...there's a reason we choose to fund schools that way...insuring that the poorest students get the poorest schools...

Seems like the schools should be perfect in these inner cities....after all, they've been ran by Democrats for 50 plus years and they tell us plainly how much they "care about" the poor and minorities in those communities. So, why are the schools still bad after 50 years? The teachers unions (more democrat voters and donors) also fight school choice relentlessly.

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9 minutes ago, GamerNurseRN said:

Seems like the schools should be perfect in these inner cities....after all, they've been ran by Democrats for 50 plus years and they tell us plainly how much they "care about" the poor and minorities in those communities. So, why are the schools still bad after 50 years? The teachers unions (more democrat voters and donors) also fight school choice relentlessly.

Both parties are terrible. Plain and simple, they aren't watching out for us. Second, school choice serves to benefit the same wealth who's been calling most of the shots that benefit them. Third, school choice will actually exacerbate more of the issues that already exist.

27 minutes ago, PersonBehindAScreen said:

Both parties are terrible. Plain and simple, they aren't watching out for us. Second, school choice serves to benefit the same wealth who's been calling most of the shots that benefit them. Third, school choice will actually exacerbate more of the issues that already exist.

I agree, both parties are terrible....but there has been ONE party basically in charge of education in the inner cities for decades. So take vouchers out of mix for a minute.... why can't they fix the schools? They tell us they are the only ones who can, so why haven't they? They have had absolute power in these blue cities. It's a rhetorical question....they can't because their policies are 50 year failures, and as long as they keep people poor and uneducated, they get votes on the promise of change every 4 years.

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1 hour ago, GamerNurseRN said:

I agree, both parties are terrible....but there has been ONE party basically in charge of education in the inner cities for decades. So take vouchers out of mix for a minute.... why can't they fix the schools? They tell us they are the only ones who can, so why haven't they? They have had absolute power in these blue cities. It's a rhetorical question....they can't because their policies are 50 year failures, and as long as they keep people poor and uneducated, they get votes on the promise of change every 4 years.

One party in charge of most STATE houses and governors mansions for decades. And aren't the schools in those red states awesome? Betsy DeVos doesn't even believe in public education. They're planning to make education a piece of the Department of Labor. YAY

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57 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

Even in that search, within that limited platform, one can see a years long pattern of abuse and oppression. I'm done with excuses. No change equals no peaceful, status quo.

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