Riots in Minneapolis

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Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.

I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.

That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.

If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

One party in charge of most STATE houses and governors mansions for decades. And aren't the schools in those red states awesome? Betsy DeVos doesn't even believe in public education. They're planning to make education a piece of the Department of Labor. YAY

DEMS run education. Have for years. Why are there still problems? Dems run inner cities....have for years....why are there still problems? These cities we see on fire right now are all blue cities. I thought you could never have this when the dems are in charge....it's supposed to be all love all the time.....utopian with no racism ever. That's what they tell us. Of course I know better and have for years.....someone might want to tell that ONE republican in NYC to pipe down and stop causing these riots.

I haven't been here long, and what I see on this site is a unit style mentality complete with a clique. I never realized that there are so many nurses out there with the basic civics knowledge of 3rd graders until I read this thread.

I'm out. Stay well everyone.

Specializes in Non-Nursing Student.
4 minutes ago, GamerNurseRN said:

I haven't been here long, and what I see on this site is a unit style mentality complete with a clique. I never realized that there are so many nurses out there with the basic civics knowledge of 3rd graders until I read this thread.

I'm out. Stay well everyone.

Bye. Your civics "education" if you can even call it that is subpar and is part of the wider issue with this country that Liberals nor conservatives can fix individually although it would help if they could make decisions that actually benefit their constituents and not themselves. Have a nice day.

Ah yes, America with its selective outrage. A few times a year the masses have a couple opportune times to virtue signal and grandstand on social media for clout. Police killings are nothing new and its interesting that egregious non-black incidents rarely make the news despite them being the majority. Weird, how it takes this racially charged situation for people to actually "care". Also interesting that the killing of GF was done by a diverse group of cops, but the white vs black narrative looks better for the cameras I suppose. I wonder how long people will actually care for though, maybe a few weeks until something else shiny comes along?

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 hours ago, GamerNurseRN said:

I haven't been here long, and what I see on this site is a unit style mentality complete with a clique. I never realized that there are so many nurses out there with the basic civics knowledge of 3rd graders until I read this thread.

I'm out. Stay well everyone.

LOL

From the poster who said Dems run education.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 minute ago, Numenor said:

Ah yes, America with its selective outrage. A few time a year the masses have a few opportune times to virtue signal and grandstand on social media for clout. Police killings are nothing new and its interesting that egregious non-black incidents rarely make the news despite them being the majoirty. Weird, how it takes this racially charged situation for people to actually "care". Also interesting that the killing of GF was done by diverse group of cops, but the white vs black narrative looks better for the cameras I suppose. I wonder how long people will actually care for, maybe a few weeks until something else shiny comes along?

You just don't see a problem with police violence disproportionately directed at black and brown males in this country, eh?

Just now, toomuchbaloney said:

You just don't see a problem with police violence disproportionately directed at black and brown males in this country, eh?

There are lots of relevant disproportional statistics we could talk about, do you want to talk about all of them too? Cop violence is a problem regardless of race.

4 hours ago, Numenor said:

Ah yes, America with its selective outrage. A few times a year the masses have a couple opportune times to virtue signal and grandstand on social media for clout. Police killings are nothing new and its interesting that egregious non-black incidents rarely make the news despite them being the majority. Weird, how it takes this racially charged situation for people to actually "care". Also interesting that the killing of GF was done by a diverse group of cops, but the white vs black narrative looks better for the cameras I suppose. I wonder how long people will actually care for though, maybe a few weeks until something else shiny comes along?

Oh, I think if you actually listen to the entire story vs just tossing a convenient dismissive label on it, you’ll understand the “outrage” isn’t actually “selective”.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/phoenix-police-arrests-dozens-with-copy-and-paste-evidence

There’s a story about a hundred peaceful protesters getting felony “riot” charges based on “copy pasta” probable cause statements.. A felony riot charge would ruin most nurses- you’re losing your license and you’re ability to earn a living. You don’t need to be black to realize that things like this mean that you no longer have a “right” to seek redress from your government..

I’m still kinda “outraged” about this white-guy police killing :

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981

I’m equally amazed at the “p.c” b.s. that allows a cop to claim that the Murder and the subsequent trial were causes of his “ptsd”.

I personally think that police abuse isn’t necessarily racist, so much as it’s a symptom of a power-drunk arm of government attacking the citizens that are easiest to pick-off. They’ll rough-up a scruffy white guy or anyone else that they think can’t defend themselves with an attorney.

It is “us versus them” - they’re flying an alternate flag and operating under a completely different set of laws. you’re a “civilian” even though they’re not military - the military would shred them for similar actions in a foreign country.

Specializes in ED, psych.
5 hours ago, Numenor said:

Ah yes, America with its selective outrage. A few times a year the masses have a couple opportune times to virtue signal and grandstand on social media for clout. Police killings are nothing new and its interesting that egregious non-black incidents rarely make the news despite them being the majority. Weird, how it takes this racially charged situation for people to actually "care". Also interesting that the killing of GF was done by a diverse group of cops, but the white vs black narrative looks better for the cameras I suppose. I wonder how long people will actually care for though, maybe a few weeks until something else shiny comes along?

There it is! The non black incidents rarely making the news blah blah blah.

Here are some tidbits:

* Cops may shoot and kill twice as many white people as black, but there about six times as many white people as black people in the United States. Proportionally, black people are much more likely to be shot and killed by cops.

* If we look at shooting deaths of unarmed people, cops have shot and killed about the same number of whites and blacks, which means an even wider racial disparity as a percentage of the population.

* Think it means it’s because it’s the “bad area” themselves (inequality and thus inherent racism, but I won’t go into that)? Nope. A lot of these are traffic stops, taking someone into custody or raiding a home (hey! Like George Floyd or Breonna Taylor).

Yeah, we all can think of some bad cops. We all can think of some good cops too. But I don’t have to teach my white son (for example) how to move his hands (keep them out, visible) while in a store the same his black friend has been taught (we were talking about the yesterday).

Also, last time I checked, most protesters were advocating for the arrest of all officers. The one who was arrested was the individual who had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8+ minutes ... and it took a few days to even get THAT arrest.

3 hours ago, pixierose said:

There it is! The non black incidents rarely making the news blah blah blah.

Here are some tidbits:

* Cops may shoot and kill twice as many white people as black, but there about six times as many white people as black people in the United States. Proportionally, black people are much more likely to be shot and killed by cops.

* If we look at shooting deaths of unarmed people, cops have shot and killed about the same number of whites and blacks, which means an even wider racial disparity as a percentage of the population.

* Think it means it’s because it’s the “bad area” themselves (inequality and thus inherent racism, but I won’t go into that)? Nope. A lot of these are traffic stops, taking someone into custody or raiding a home (hey! Like George Floyd or Breonna Taylor).

Yeah, we all can think of some bad cops. We all can think of some good cops too. But I don’t have to teach my white son (for example) how to move his hands (keep them out, visible) while in a store the same his black friend has been taught (we were talking about the yesterday).

Also, last time I checked, most protesters were advocating for the arrest of all officers. The one who was arrested was the individual who had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8+ minutes ... and it took a few days to even get THAT arrest.

The black community disproportionately commits more violent crimes than any other race in the country by far, kinda obvious that there would a higher number number of associated police deaths. Common sense 101. But these facts and figures aren't convenient to you so its obvious you would ignore the,.

Instead of just agreeing with me that cop violence is a problem, the narrative and agenda mean more I suppose.

What sane person doesn't have there hands out when the cops come? I always have my hands out and on the steering wheel face up in any police interaction.

4 hours ago, rzyzzy said:

Oh, I think if you actually listen to the entire story vs just tossing a convenient dismissive label on it, you’ll understand the “outrage” isn’t actually “selective”.

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/phoenix-police-arrests-dozens-with-copy-and-paste-evidence

There’s a story about a hundred peaceful protesters getting felony “riot” charges based on “copy pasta” probable cause statements.. A felony riot charge would ruin most nurses- you’re losing your license and you’re ability to earn a living. You don’t need to be black to realize that things like this mean that you no longer have a “right” to seek redress from your government..

I’m still kinda “outraged” about this white-guy police killing :

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981

I’m equally amazed at the “p.c” b.s. that allows a cop to claim that the Murder and the subsequent trial were causes of his “ptsd”.

I personally think that police abuse isn’t necessarily racist, so much as it’s a symptom of a power-drunk arm of government attacking the citizens that are easiest to pick-off. They’ll rough-up a scruffy white guy or anyone else that they think can’t defend themselves with an attorney.

It is “us versus them” - they’re flying an alternate flag and operating under a completely different set of laws. you’re a “civilian” even though they’re not military - the military would shred them for similar actions in a foreign country.

Your post is reasonable, the problem is 99% of people don't know or care abut the message about police brtuality. It has solely devolved into a racial issue at this point. If it was a black cop as the man player in the killing than you wouldn't see near the response.

Specializes in ED, psych.
51 minutes ago, Numenor said:

The black community disproportionately commits more violent crimes than any other race in the country by far, kinda obvious that there would a higher number number of associated police deaths. Common sense 101. But these facts and figures aren't convenient to you so its obvious you would ignore the,.

Instead of just agreeing with me that cop violence is a problem, the narrative and agenda mean more I suppose.

What sane person doesn't have there hands out when the cops come? I always have my hands out and on the steering wheel face up in any police interaction.

The issue is that they do have their hands on the wheel. Thing is: as a white person, I don’t have to worry about being shot. Wouldn’t even cross my radar. Shouldn’t have to; but more than this crosses a POC radar every.single.day.

It is the narrative. That’s the whole point.

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