Is the RN--->BSN push a clever way to get older nurses out of the way

[Nola009]

As in certain "Baby Boomers" who wont retire? Wont we NEED a faster RN producing mechanism (hello again, ADN programs!) in order to provide enough nurses to care for this huge group of people due to retire soon?? Just wondering...

[nurseprnRN, BSN, RN]

Hold on to your hat for the blowback that is sure to come from this, Ruby: Re the ones of us who got or BSNs in the 60s, 70s, and 80s before it was what it is now, back when only something like 10-15% of RNs cared enough appreciate the benefits of college (baccalaureate) education....what if we really are smarter and as a result really have been and are still better equipped to be better practitioners? Hypothetically speaking.

Discuss.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

Well, there's no link to the article and I have no access to nursing library. Please don't keep me in suspense. Are Absn's displacing adn's or are DON's shunning Absn's in favor of adn's as stated by a previous poster?

[PMFB-RN, RN]

In the health system I work for it seems that ABSNs, ADNs and DEMSNs are all being shunned in favor of the traditional BSN grads. I once heard an administrator express a preference for traditional BSN grads over ADN, ABSN and DEMSN RNs. Mention was made of them being more compliant and having less experience in the working world.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

What is the theory behind traditional BSN grads being more "compliant?" I got my BSN in the 70's when jobs were also very competitive (interviewed at NYU with a group of 5). Those were different times and new grads coming out today are probably very different from those of us who graduated in another era. And of course a new grad would have less experience in the working world for heaven's sake, but anyone who's paying attention, catches on fast to the medical-industrial complex.

[TiffyRN, BSN, PhD]

In the health system I work for it seems that ABSNs, ADNs and DEMSNs are all being shunned in favor of the traditional BSN grads. I once heard an administrator express a preference for traditional BSN grads over ADN, ABSN and DEMSN RNs. Mention was made of them being more compliant and having less experience in the working world.

Seems like those ABSNs and DEMSNs would be much more indebted than the typical BSN or ADN. I believe you have previously discussed how administrators prefer BSNs because they have so much debt they will not give management any trouble for fear of loosing their jobs and being unable to pay their school loans.

Around here, ABSN programs charge 2-3X per credit hour than even BSN programs within their own university. That would seem to engender a very indebted population that will do anything management dictates to keep their job.

[PMFB-RN, RN]

What is the theory behind traditional BSN grads being more "compliant?"

I didn't say it was a theory. Just what I heard one person who is a position of power and authority in one health system express.

When I say "it seems" I mean to me when observing who get hired lately.

[PMFB-RN, RN]

Seems like those ABSNs and DEMSNs would be much more indebted than the typical BSN or ADN. I believe you have previously discussed how administrators prefer BSNs because they have so much debt they will not give management any trouble for fear of loosing their jobs and being unable to pay their school loans.

Around here, ABSN programs charge 2-3X per credit hour than even BSN programs within their own university. That would seem to engender a very indebted population that will do anything management dictates to keep their job.

Yes I get what you are saying. I don't know. I just shared what I have overheard one particular person who is an administrator on one health system say.

[TiffyRN, BSN, PhD]

Yes I get what you are saying. I don't know. I just shared what I have overheard one particular person who is an administrator on one health system say.

This is why I enjoy debating with you. We have several contrary opinions. But you are not blindly loyal to any given opinion and are willing to actually debate!!

Fresh breath of air . . .

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

Is it better to have a BSN and debt and a job than to have no job at all? Admittedly, it was probably easier to pay the debt off in 1975 (I made $8,600 a year and thought I was rich:) and I qualified for food stamps while in school, but I had a job when jobs were scarce and got the thing paid off quickly. In NYC I would have not been able to work in the facility I wanted - on day shift- without BSN in 1975 .

[ixchel]

Well, there's no link to the article and I have no access to nursing library. Please don't keep me in suspense. Are Absn's displacing adn's or are DON's shunning Absn's in favor of adn's as stated by a previous poster?

When I plugged the citation to google, this is one of the first things that came up.

American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Creating a More Highly Qualified Nursing Workforce

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

For someone who is a Googlophile, I missed the boat on this one. Thanks for doing the work I should have done. I didn't know the the mortality - BSN study has been replicated in Europe and Asia. Most informative data here.

[PMFB-RN, RN]

For someone who is a Googlophile, I missed the boat on this one. Thanks for doing the work I should have done. I didn't know the the mortality - BSN study has been replicated in Europe and Asia. Most informative data here.

About the foreign BSN requirements. New Zealand requires a BSN. However foreign graduates are licensed on a case by case basis. I was able to obtain a NZ nursing license with my ADN. After an 8 month process requiring me to submit transcripts, class syllabus, letters from clinical instructors detailing our clinical experience in school. It was found to be equivalent to their 3 year BSN.

The main reason I am so skeptical of supposed differenced in patient outcomes is the lack of differences between ADN and BSN programs.