Radonda Vaught Trial

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"Fourteen Nashvillians were chosen Monday, March 21, 2022 to sit as a jury in the case of RaDonda Vaught, a former Vanderbilt University Medical Center nurse charged in the death of a patient. She faces charges of reckless homicide and impaired adult abuse in the 2017 death of Charlene Murphey."

For more on this story, see

Jury chosen in homicide trial of ex-Vanderbilt nurse RaDonda Vaught after fatal drug error

RaDonda Vaught’s Arraignment - Guilty or Not of Reckless Homicide and Patient Abuse?

Tennessee Nurse RaDonda Vaught - Legal Perspectives of Fatal Medication Error

What do you think the verdict should/will be?

On 3/28/2022 at 6:21 PM, mmc51264 said:

My 2 cents. A colleague posted this on FB (I know, I know) but it resonated with me:

"I get nurses backing nurses, but come on y’all! Radonda was criminally negligent, more so than Vanderbilt. She literally accepted 6 override warnings before receiving the medication, and you guys know Versed or midalozam will not give you 6 override warnings. You also have to reconstitute vecuronium and any nurse that has ever given Versed knows that reconstitution is not required. So that was technically another warning for her. Both medications require cardiac monitoring which did not occur. She also stated that she had not administered Versed before that day, but was shown to have administered it to a different patient the previous day. We all make mistakes and she did admit that she screwed up, but she had so many warnings before overriding vecuronium (one of the most important warnings stating that it was a paralytic). She should have also known that Versed or midalozam is not a paralytic. Vanderbilt did not override 6 warnings, reconstitute a drug, and administer said drug with no monitoring. Yeah, I can agree with saying Vanderbilt screwed up in the way they handled the situation. Just my opinion on it after taking a deeper dive into the case."

We have all made mistakes, but this is beyond an "error". 

Yeah. After hearing all of the details, her mistake was so egregious that it's surprising she was able to keep her license for 1 year after being investigated by BON. 

I mean any nurse who makes an error fails the 5 checks at one point because that's how the error happens. However, I still don't understand how she looked at the vial to read how to reconstitute and to draw it up and didn't see the red top that said "paralyzing agent." I just don't understand. 

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2 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

No Muno, I’m sorry but I just will not continue this game with you. I have a great deal of respect for you but that fact you think she should have kept her license, your word twisting followed by protests of innocence and that you keep inferring things I never said is just too much for me. I’m happy to continue discussions on other topics but repeatedly having to defend myself against accusations that I don’t care about patient safety is renting too much space in my head and I have other priorities right now. Carry on. 

And I get that it can be harder to hold a position when presented with reasons why that position may not be correct, but as someone who's views I also value I would urge you, and your followers to consider why you may not be able to defend this.position.  

1 hour ago, sistrmoon said:

What. The. Heck. I went searching for what remedial actions Vanderbilt took and found this from 2020. Would not have affected this case, but how bad an idea was this? Let’s take the “warning: paralyzing agent” label off the top because COVID. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-alerts-health-care-professionals-temporary-absence-warning-statement-vial-caps-two-neuromuscular

What alternative would you have proposed?

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8 hours ago, MunoRN said:

And I get that it can be harder to hold a position when presented with reasons why that position may not be correct, but as someone who's views I also value I would urge you, and your followers to consider why you may not be able to defend this.position. 

No Muno that is not it at all. I still firmly believe my position is correct as do many of the posters who are still paticipating on this thread. It's really a bit condescending of you to say that. No, it's grossly condescending and is why I no longer want to discuss this with you. You have crossed a line and I seriously do not want to continue. Have a nice day.

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8 hours ago, MunoRN said:

And I get that it can be harder to hold a position when presented with reasons why that position may not be correct,

Dude. Seriously? That's why she doesn't want to engage with you anymore. Samesies. Could you BE any more condescending?

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BTW, just to clarify  I think Klone is saying it's the attitude that makes me not want to continue not that the quote is accurate and I'm unable to support my position. ?

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15 hours ago, MunoRN said:

What alternative would you have proposed?

Something that didn’t involve just not labeling it a paralyzing agent. COVID is a poor excuse to just stop using important Med labeling like that. Looks like it was allowed for 4 months. 

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15 hours ago, MunoRN said:

And I get that it can be harder to hold a position when presented with reasons why that position may not be correct, but as someone who's views I also value I would urge you, and your followers to consider why you may not be able to defend this.position.

Am I a Wuzzie follower? I mean, Wuzzie expresses things well, but here I thought I was an independent person with my own thoughts on the matter. I haven’t seen anyone “unable to defend their position.” If the intent is to get people to drop off the thread one by one with this tone, I think you’ll probably succeed. 

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1 hour ago, sistrmoon said:

I mean, Wuzzie expresses things well, but here I thought I was an independent person with my own thoughts on the matter.

Oh geez, I didn't even see that part. Holy hell! I hope people here don't think I'm trying to gather "followers". I don't want followers but I can't help it if people agree with my position. What a jerky thing  for him/her to say. Thank you sistrmoon for bringing that to my attention so I can clarify for the masses. Now I'm even more pissed and moderately grossed out.

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3 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

Oh geez, I didn't even see that part. Holy hell! I hope people here don't think I'm trying to gather "followers". I don't want followers but I can't help it if people agree with my position. What a jerky thing  for him/her to say. Thank you sistrmoon for bringing that to my attention so I can clarify for the masses. Now I'm even more pissed and moderately grossed out.

I can see it now. The Wuzzie Cult...I'm not sure what's got into MunoRN, I usually enjoy the info that Muno provides. This thread is very different 

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People have strong feelings about these sort of things. It can hit home in a personal way. I haven't followed the debate too closely because I don't like debates, but people get emotional about subject matter such as this.

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On 4/4/2022 at 8:11 PM, sistrmoon said:

What. The. Heck. I went searching for what remedial actions Vanderbilt took and found this from 2020. Would not have affected this case, but how bad an idea was this? Let’s take the “warning: paralyzing agent” label off the top because COVID. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-alerts-health-care-professionals-temporary-absence-warning-statement-vial-caps-two-neuromuscular

So THAT'S what caused all the supply chain issues in healthcare, huh?  Having to print 2-3 words on a piece of plastic.

Just think guys, if we did away with labels altogether, we wouldn't have had to deal with shortages of gowns, masks, gloves, saline flushes, saline bags, dextrose, NG tubes, infant diapers, pacifiers, lancets, needles, reagents, nasal swabs, specimen tubes, albuterol, fentanyl, azithromycin, heparin, propofol, lasix, etomidate, Precedix, hydrocortisone, dexamethasone, meropenem, dobutamine, norepinephrine, doxycycline, ampiciliin, fluticasone, blood pressure cuffs, suction canisters, crutches, walkers, foley catheters, ventilators, CPAP machines, trach tubes....

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@Julius Seizure well since there are people who think reading the label isn't required why have them at all? Maybe we should just slap on a bar code and hope for the best. ?‍♀️

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