"The Victim" and the "Big Ole Meanie who Made Her Cry"

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i've always wondered why when there's a "communication difficulty," the person who says what they mean and means what they say is usually the one blamed for it. when someone bursts into tears at work, why are they always "the victim" and the person who was trying to tell them something they didn't like, couldn't understand or disagreed with was "the big old meanie who made them cry"?

we have a wonderful charge nurse -- always helpful, knowlegeable, well-organized. she's a great resource and i really enjoy working with her. her only flaw, if it can be called a flaw, is that she has a very direct style of communication. i overheard a series of exchanges where she was trying to convince a relatively new nurse that she needed to get up to speed with her assessments and nursing care and keep her documentation up to date. i was working next to this nurse, and picking up a lot of her slack. she wasn't keeping up -- and we weren't busy. hortense (not her name, but one you'll likely remember!) kept asking her if she needed help and what we could do to help her get her patient ready to transfer at 1100. myrtle (also not her name) kept saying she was doing fine, everything was ok, etc. yet 1100 came, and her patient still needed a bath, lines pulled, dressings changed and her charting done. myrtle had spent her morning rushing about doing stuff, but not really getting anything done. hortense and i stepped up and got the patient ready and transferred by 1200, the room cleaned and set up by 1245 because we had a new patient coming out of the or at 1300. myrtle continued to ineffectually flit around, but didn't get anything done.

finally, when myrtle complained about taking the new admission because she hadn't had lunch yet, hortense calmly but clearly explained to her that had she been able to transfer her patient by the allotted time, she'd have had an hour for lunch plus another half hour to relieve me for lunch and as it was none of the three of us had had lunch. she wasn't mean about it, just clear and factual. myrtle burst into tears and ran to the manager, complaining that hortense was being "mean to her." hortense and i both explained the situation to the manager, but the upshot is that hortense is being counseled about her "communication skills". i think myrtle ought to be going to the communications class with her. if hortense was too direct, myrtle obviously wasn't direct enough because she clearly wasn't "getting" what hortense and i had been trying to tell her all morning.

so when one staff member bursts into tears at work, why is the fault always seen to be the person who "made them cry." why don't we blame the person who bursts into tears at work? if they were capable of communicating directly and factually and understanding direct communication, they might not need to be talked to several times before the point gets across and perhaps emotions wouldn't be so high for everyone.

Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

I'm getting off topic, but DeLana RN, you have the most adorable avatar I have ever seen!

Specializes in Day Surgery/Infusion/ED.

Myrtle was offered suggestions she refused to follow. She was offered help she refused to accept. Finally, her co-workers had to take over her pts when the situation became unmanageable. Then she had the gall to complain about taking an admit and not getting lunch.

Sorry, but if I were charge, that might have taxed my patience at that point, and I might have said the same thing right then and there. It wasn't just that Myrtle was slow. She also refused to accept direction and help, then when things didn't go her way she ran crying to the NM. That is just infantile behavior.

Part of being a professional means being able to accept direction from others. Sometimes it seems like new nurses feel like the only feedback they should get is positive feedback, and if anyone dares say anything remotely negative, then they are being "eaten." Sorry, Myrtle owns a lot of this situation. Yes, it would have been better for Hortense to talk to her privately, but honestly, none of us is perfect. How ironic that we are to forgive Myrtle of all of her transgressions but jump all over Hortense with all four feet for having the unmitigated temerity to give Myrtle a reality check in public.

Someday, you newer nurses will be in the position of being the experienced ones asking for patience and understanding from newbies. Try to stop throwing stones for a change and think about what it must be like for us...we've already been in your shoes, you have yet to be in ours.

Specializes in FNP, Peds, Epilepsy, Mgt., Occ. Ed.

I think Myrtle very well knows how to communicate what she wants communicated, which is that she is the victim and nothing is her fault. If Hortense and Ruby were truly trying to "eat" her, they would've let her sink with no help and then blasted her for not getting it done.

If Myrtle were looking for real help from the manager, she'd have been telling the manager that she needed help learning how to do her job better, not that Hortense was being mean to her.

There are some people who are just not willing to learn and who never accept any responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's fault. The person supervising that type person will never win, because there is no way anyone can communicate anything constructive at all.

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
I think Myrtle very well knows how to communicate what she wants communicated, which is that she is the victim and nothing is her fault. If Hortense and Ruby were truly trying to "eat" her, they would've let her sink with no help and then blasted her for not getting it done.

If Myrtle were looking for real help from the manager, she'd have been telling the manager that she needed help learning how to do her job better, not that Hortense was being mean to her.

There are some people who are just not willing to learn and who never accept any responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's fault. The person supervising that type person will never win, because there is no way anyone can communicate anything constructive at all.

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Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

myrtle's slowness and lack of organization isn't the issue here. that's a separate problem. she'll either catch on and catch up someday or she won't. the problem is the communication difficulty for which hortense is being blamed. it takes two people to communicate, and when one of them either isn't listening or doesn't hear anything she doesn't want to, communication becomes impossible. i don't think that lack of communication is the fault of the person who is calm, clear and direct when the other person simple refuses to hear.

the bursting into tears and crying to the manager that "hortense is being mean to me" doesn't help any of the issues -- and could be the subject of a whole 'nother thread.

It always amazes me that in a situation like this where a person who can't seem to get their work done on time always has the time to go and tell their side of the story first.

So true.

hortense (not her name, but one you'll likely remember!) kept asking her if she needed help and what we could do to help her get her patient ready to transfer at 1100. myrtle (also not her name) kept saying she was doing fine, everything was ok, etc.

finally, when myrtle complained about taking the new admission because she hadn't had lunch yet, hortense calmly but clearly explained to her that had she been able to transfer her patient by the allotted time, she'd have had an hour for lunch plus another half hour to relieve me for lunch and as it was none of the three of us had had lunch.

you say that both of you asked her if she needed help, but did she truely understand she was that far behind? did she understand the consequences? ie no lunch

this is how i view it, and i may be wrong b/c i wasn't there and have only heard one side of the story.

when i am a new employee, i like to show that i am able to handle my own. when people offer help it is very nice, and i often don't take it. i don't take it unless someone tells me i need it. do you need help is kind of a general question. it doesn't inform the person that they are behind. it isn't straight foward. this is when the clear communication was needed.

you and the charge nurse doing the work for her, might have sent her a signal of comradery or it might have sent her warning signals. it is also not clear communication. someone should have probably talked to her here by saying we asked you if you needed help lunch time is approaching and this stuff has to be done on time, if it doesn't happen none of us can eat lunch. doing the work for her without talking to her doesn't send her a clear message either.

now it is lunch time and she hasn't eaten. she wants to know when lunch is, and she is basically told well b/c of you being slow none of us can eat. which is true and straight foward, like you said, but she might have been unaware of just how far behind she was and didn't understand what the consequences of her actions were. not only did the charge nurse punish her by not letting her eat lunch, but she blamed her for her coworkers missing lunch also. no one wants that, especially if you are new. if you are a very emotional person, and some are, it can cause tears. tears are best kept in private, but when you are told you aren't working fast enough it is not ideal to go to the restroom for a break. i also don't think it is ideal to go seek upper management.

i think that she should have had a sit down with said charge nurse, and worked out their miscommunication. i don't think anyone is wrong in this case, and i think it is a miscommunication problem. i also agree that the new nurse should be taking communication classes with the charge nurse.

i hope everything works out, and i hope that you can all get along without her having to switch hospitals or areas in the hospital. like someone else said, this is a common thing that happens in other careers also. i don't think this is "nursing eating their young," just miscommunication. good luck.

There was an article in a non nursing business magazine by a manager that was exasperated about this very thing. He said that in the last five years he found that he cannot communicate anything to anyone on the negative side without a flood of tears resulting. He actually said, "tears have no place in the professional world". On the other hand I have had been redirected by managment many times in the last 40 years. It happened when I was 19, it is still happening at 59. Not once has the little talk ever resulted in tears. I doubt if anyone ever gave me credit for that. If you are in managment and you have to give someone a little talk and they listen seriously and say they will try harder, please try to appreciate that you finally have a grownup working for you.

Specializes in PCU/Hospice/Oncology.

Its the patients who are the "real" victims here. Her lunch break can wait.

Specializes in MS, Hospice, LTC.

Perception is everything. Myrtle may have truly felt that Hortense was rough on her. Hortense may have felt that she was only saying what Myrtle needed to hear in order to help her. Myrtle may not know that Hortense is direct with everyone, and there's no need to feel personally attacked. Hortense and Mrytle both just need to sit down and be direct with each other and put this incident behind them. Hortense: "I'm sorry if I came across a little rough." Myrtle: "I'm sorry that I went to so&so w/o talking to you first. Sometimes I tend to be a little sensitive, esp. when I'm stressed out." I think its an issue of just getting to know your coworkers.

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.
too often this is learned behavior...myrtle now knows what works and she will continue to behave in this manner until she finds its doesn't work anymore

sometime even with nurses who are 'with it' and have been running all day are faced with inconvenient admits...crying doesn't help the situation any

I worked with one of those. One night, we both ran our butts off all night. However, while she was running, she stopped to:

- take 3 phone calls from her highly dysfunctional grown (32 y/o) daughter. They were all (OF COURSE) emergencies. As in, "Momma, I spent the three hundred dollars, you gave me for the $200 phone bill (collect calls to drug abusing boyfriend in jail) on new clothes for the kids and on food for a party - I need more money NOW!!!!

- Went off to smoke 4 times - she was just too stressed out to work otherwise.

- Call a few nurses on other floors to complain about th MD on call.

- Whine about how unfair "EVERYTHING" is.

I, on the other hand, left the floor for 10 minutes to get food (at 0330 when caught up briefly) and scarf it down in 10 more minutes. No personal phone calls, no excess whine time, no smokes. I also offered to help and caught lights.

So at report time at 0700 AM, while I have to round with MDs in addition to having the same load, who starts crying to the oncoming shift about how she had no help at all, and felt like she worked the whole floor by herself?

So instead of leaving remotely on time after busting my butt, who has to stay behind for a stat chat with the boss and gets chewed on by a day nurse that heard her side and blamed me without getting my side?

I leave you to guess.

finally, when myrtle complained about taking the new admission because she hadn't had lunch yet, hortense calmly but clearly explained to her that had she been able to transfer her patient by the allotted time, she'd have had an hour for lunch plus another half hour to relieve me for lunch and as it was none of the three of us had had lunch.

i think this is an example of being aggressive. there are other ways of getting your point across by being assertive yet being sensitive to another person's feelings. i think alot of nurses think they are just too agressive.

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