"The Victim" and the "Big Ole Meanie who Made Her Cry"

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i've always wondered why when there's a "communication difficulty," the person who says what they mean and means what they say is usually the one blamed for it. when someone bursts into tears at work, why are they always "the victim" and the person who was trying to tell them something they didn't like, couldn't understand or disagreed with was "the big old meanie who made them cry"?

we have a wonderful charge nurse -- always helpful, knowlegeable, well-organized. she's a great resource and i really enjoy working with her. her only flaw, if it can be called a flaw, is that she has a very direct style of communication. i overheard a series of exchanges where she was trying to convince a relatively new nurse that she needed to get up to speed with her assessments and nursing care and keep her documentation up to date. i was working next to this nurse, and picking up a lot of her slack. she wasn't keeping up -- and we weren't busy. hortense (not her name, but one you'll likely remember!) kept asking her if she needed help and what we could do to help her get her patient ready to transfer at 1100. myrtle (also not her name) kept saying she was doing fine, everything was ok, etc. yet 1100 came, and her patient still needed a bath, lines pulled, dressings changed and her charting done. myrtle had spent her morning rushing about doing stuff, but not really getting anything done. hortense and i stepped up and got the patient ready and transferred by 1200, the room cleaned and set up by 1245 because we had a new patient coming out of the or at 1300. myrtle continued to ineffectually flit around, but didn't get anything done.

finally, when myrtle complained about taking the new admission because she hadn't had lunch yet, hortense calmly but clearly explained to her that had she been able to transfer her patient by the allotted time, she'd have had an hour for lunch plus another half hour to relieve me for lunch and as it was none of the three of us had had lunch. she wasn't mean about it, just clear and factual. myrtle burst into tears and ran to the manager, complaining that hortense was being "mean to her." hortense and i both explained the situation to the manager, but the upshot is that hortense is being counseled about her "communication skills". i think myrtle ought to be going to the communications class with her. if hortense was too direct, myrtle obviously wasn't direct enough because she clearly wasn't "getting" what hortense and i had been trying to tell her all morning.

so when one staff member bursts into tears at work, why is the fault always seen to be the person who "made them cry." why don't we blame the person who bursts into tears at work? if they were capable of communicating directly and factually and understanding direct communication, they might not need to be talked to several times before the point gets across and perhaps emotions wouldn't be so high for everyone.

Specializes in Lie detection.

I too am a "direct communicator". Some like it and some don't but you never have to guess what's on my mind!

Myrtle is wrong. She may have won this battle but it will come back to bite her and hard. Sooner or later those tears are not going to mean squat and she's going to look like a complete fool.

What is she going to do when her patient codes? Cry and become completely unglued?

I agree with SmilingBluEyes. There is a time and a place for this type of release. Good grief I've certaily had my share of emotions at work but you go in the bathroom or something.

The whole situation is a perfect example of my opinon on why I think the whole eating young thing is not as bad as some say. I think people include scenarios like this in it and that should not be. This is just a case of a new employee acting like a brat.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

I agree completely that sometimes, the problem lies with the person crying (or saying that someone has been mean to her) and that it is wrong to assume that the "accused" is always wrong. That's why it's important not to jump to conclusions when we hear these stories. It's important to get both sides of the story (or 3 or 4 sides) before making a decision.

We all need to keep this thread in mind every time we read a new thread about mean nurses and/or mean nursing faculty members.

Specializes in MS, Hospice, LTC.
I see this occuring all of the time with new nurses. These nurses are not always completely new either...I have seen nurses come from another aspect of nursing and are just not up to speed with trauma and ICU. They know what to do, but do it slowly. Traditionally there are a lot of people who have a hard time separating professional from personnal....So, their feelings get hurt. Our charge nurses are fountains of information and not one of them is a bad person...Unfortunately some of the new nurses get very flustered when they are told "I need 2 of morphine and 2 of versed now"...I have seen them just stand there and stare at us...I have also heard them say.."You want that Now?"...YES!!!! Next thing you know there are tears and complaints. There was not intention of being mean...Just thinking of the patient...

ICU = I-N-T-E-N-S-I-V-E Care Unit

All bets are off and personalities need to be left at the door. Learn from what you see don't get upset about the intensity of the actions.

A former coworker of mine has 30+ years of experience and is also prone to crying and complaining to the NM whenever things don't go the way she would've liked. Or, after she's verbally attacked someone and they stand up to her, she runs off crying to the NM. So, I think lack of experience doesn't equal tears. As for moving slow, could it just be that someone lacks the experience and confidence that only comes in tme?

I'm not a nurse yet, only a student. But I was a manager for more than 15 years. First rule of management: Praise in public, criticize in private.

Was Myrtle upset by what Hortense said, or was Myrtle more upset that she was humiliated within earshot of her co-workers? Do you think her perception and reaction would have been the same had Hortense addressed her calmly and directly in private? It seems to me that Hortense could have saved herself the inevitable personnel headache by pulling Myrtle aside. And perhaps if Myrtle had been talked to privately, she might have thought about it and then apologized for costing you your lunch hour.

Don't get me wrong: I don't like working with crybabies, either. But a manager's communication skills can go a long way in preempting crocodile tears. Never mind saving her job. Is Myrtle just turning on the drama to save face?

Specializes in Public Health, DEI.
I'm not a nurse yet, only a student. But I was a manager for more than 15 years. First rule of management: Praise in public, criticize in private.

Was Myrtle upset by what Hortense said, or was Myrtle more upset that she was humiliated within earshot of her co-workers? Do you think her perception and reaction would have been the same had Hortense addressed her calmly and directly in private? It seems to me that Hortense could have saved herself the inevitable personnel headache by pulling Myrtle aside. And perhaps if Myrtle had been talked to privately, she might have thought about it and then apologized for costing you your lunch hour.

Don't get me wrong: I don't like working with crybabies, either. But a manager's communication skills can go a long way in preempting crocodile tears. Never mind saving her job. Is Myrtle just turning on the drama to save face?

When I am in Hortense's position, I never criticize in public. I try not to criticize at all... I just bring up whatever the issue may be and ''strategize'' ways to deal with said issues ''in the future''. I supervise 4 women in their 50s with plenty of work experience and in a lot of ways they are far worse than brand new employees.

I'm a newbie, and but I love when I get direct communication. When my charge says do X and gives me tips to run my day, I listen why re-invent the wheel, and if I need help I ask, then if I get a head I try to help that person back even if its just a coffee run or grabbing a chart so someone can sit.. catching a light whatever.. Seems to me people will teach you tons if you are willing to learn. I am so blessed to have seasoned nurses who will give and take with me.

too often this is learned behavior...myrtle now knows what works and she will continue to behave in this manner until she finds its doesn't work anymore

however i agree that talking to her in private may have been able to save face...

sometime even with nurses who are 'with it' and have been running all day are faced with inconvenient admits...crying doesn't help the situation any

As for moving slow, could it just be that someone lacks the experience and confidence that only comes in tme?

Thank you! Why are people surprised or irritated that new nurses are slow? Don't you want them to be slow, rather than speedy but make serious mistakes? Try to think back when you first learned something - were you instantly efficient? Have some patience. Geez.

As for "why aren't the crybabies blamed?" or whatever - why should ANYONE be blamed? Just get both sides of the story and then develop a solution. Done.

If the charge nurse said this comment in front of other coworkers, then yes - she needs to work on communication skills and professionalism. Then the new nurse needs to be helped with developing prioritization and organizational skills - and this often comes in time.

I imagine the new nurse said she could get everything done by 1100 because she was too afraid to admit that she was struggling. Why was she afraid? Because she can sense that the other more experienced nurses see her as a burden - and then complain about her behind her back. Working in this type of environment - where you're viewed as a "problem" will make anyone emotional.

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

Hmm. Okay I have some slower nurses to supervise; some are speeding up, some aren't. If the critique I have is something that will make them look bad in front of a patient or some family members, I will not say it in front of the patient or family. But honestly, I don't have time to monkey around with whether or not I say something in front of other nurses. We've all been there and we need to be adults.

One of my problems as charge is that I tend to boogie and will do things for the slower nurse rather than tell her to hurry up. (I have one nurse in particular in mind right now.) It's because her patient who needs a drip needs it now, not an hour or two later. That patient may have been here 4 hours already, and I'm sorry that she's got a new admit now, but if there was plenty of time to lay her head down on the desk and sleep for 15 minutes then there was time to hang heparin!

The reason I wind up doing these things for her is that I think I'd come off sounding either hysterical or angry if I said it the way I typed it, or the way I think it. It isn't really helpful for the new nurse if 6 months after she started the job her charge is still doing her job for her. So, Ruby, I wish I could be like your charge nurse and just tell people directly "you need to hurry up and do your work." But for the life of me I can't seem to do that too well. Fortunately my other two slower nurses, one of them paid attention to my example and does very well now, and the other is trying as hard as she can, and asking for tips, and not taking naps during the shift when she should be working.

/rant off.

Has anyone thought of helping Myrtle come up to speed? Such as being her mentor?

I'm sorry, this sounds too much like nurses eating their young (or their own)...

JMO,

DeLana

Specializes in ICU, telemetry, LTAC.

I'd have to disagree. It sounded to me like two nurses doing one nurse's work, and then the charge explaining to her that she should have done her work so she'd have had time to eat before the new admit.

If doing someone else's work falls under the category of "eating the young" then perhaps I'd better stop being helpful at all. Whew. What a relief!

Specializes in Utilization Management.

Myrtle sounds a lot like me when I'm learning something new. I might be struggling, but I honestly don't know what to ask for help with, as I haven't gotten my prioritizing act together yet. So on behalf of you and all the other coworkers I ticked off trying to get my stuff together, I apologize.

I do know that missing lunch and having others miss their lunch would probably reduce me to tears too, because it's akin to pointing out that I'm a huge failure - something that no one wants to be labelled. Plus, missing lunch (or even five minutes alone in the bathroom) tends to make my thought processes even more scattered and ineffective.

Please understand, Ruby, I am not critisizing you or your Charge and how you handled the situation, but what I am touching on is the possibility that your Charge might've been a little too blunt with someone who was taking it all a little too personally, given your particular positions.

I have to ask sincerely - is there any way for Myrtle to remedy the situation? Does she need more orientation? More mentoring? You said she was busy, yet didn't seem to accomplish anything. I don't see that as being lazy or sloughing her work off onto anyone else purposely, but rather as a product of her inefficiency. New nurses are typically pretty inefficient, and run around all day putting out fires rather than taking control of their workload.

Just a thought.

I don't view this scenario as nurses eating their young, but neither was it an opportunity for Myrtle to feel a welcome part of the unit structure. So I predict that she'll probably transfer before long.

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