"Don't waste your time getting your BSN..."

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People are always trying to tell me that I am going to waste my time by not stopping after getting my ASN. They say that getting your BSN just gets you management positions and that it does not pay more. I am going for my masters so I can be a CNM, so I have to have my BSN anyway but, how could it be true that a person with a BSN gets the same as a person with a ASN? (Aside from the fact that working in different dept can make a difference)

Specializes in Operating Room.
So then who is going around to the hospital units and doing all the "thinking" for the poor ADN's who are merely "doing"?

How did this become another STUPID ADN vs. BSN arguement? :uhoh3: (....and, I'm sure you know "merely doing" is not part of any RN program.)

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How did this become another STUPID ADN vs. BSN arguement? :uhoh3: (....and, I'm sure you know "merely doing" is not part of any RN program.)

I was responding to the comment about ADN's "doing" vs. BSN's "thinking."

My point was that if ADN's aren't thinking but merely task performers, then why isn't there a BSN assigned to every ADN's patients to do their thinking for them?

Because it's a ridiculous idea in the first place, that's why.

Many nurses thrive on the education hierarchy and the arrogance and snobbery that goes along with it.

The evidence of that is right here on this website. Everyone seems to want to make a "Here we go again" type of comment whenever an education level thread gets started but they seem to keep popping up again and again with plenty of participation, this subject seems to remain very popular despite the "dead horse" comments.

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I was responding to the comment about ADN's "doing" vs. BSN's "thinking."

My point was that if ADN's aren't thinking but merely task performers, then why isn't there a BSN assigned to every ADN's patients to do their thinking for them?

Because it's a ridiculous idea in the first place, that's why.

Many nurses thrive on the education hierarchy and the arrogance and snobbery that goes along with it.

The evidence of that is right here on this website. Everyone seems to want to make a "Here we go again" type of comment whenever an education level thread gets started but they seem to keep popping up again and again with plenty of participation, this subject seems to remain very popular despite the "dead horse" comments.

Dead horse ?....where? :deadhorse

Hehehehe.... :chuckle

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Specializes in Psych, Informatics, Biostatistics.

While from the Canadian viewpoint it is the same thing. For us in the US it is not. You can get your RN through an ADN(2 years) or BSN(4 years). I think alot of us old nurses went to RN school because the barriers to entry was just 2 years. If I had had to take 4 years to become a nurse it would never have happened.

So while it may be confusing, I don't think it should go away.

Everytime I read this RN and BSN stuff I laugh.

Isn't a BSN an RN degree. Isn't it the same thing? Then I think no..you can get your ASN (sp?) right? I can't wait until there's ONE freaking degree for nurses and that's all she wrote.

Honestly. Right now it's confusing. :chuckle

Z

Back to topic.... :)

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Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

Where did you get the idea that budgeting, organization and community health are not taught in ADN programs?

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In Ohio Physian Assistants is a 2 year degree.

I believe that 2 years is a Master's degree, however.

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Everytime I read this RN and BSN stuff I laugh.

Isn't a BSN an RN degree. Isn't it the same thing? Then I think no..you can get your ASN (sp?) right? I can't wait until there's ONE freaking degree for nurses and that's all she wrote.

Honestly. Right now it's confusing. :chuckle

Z

Back to topic.... :)

There is quite a bit of difference between ADN, BSN, MSN and APN. I am a diploma grad and for years have fought the "education" thing because I was a good nurse and could work circles around anyone, never miss an IV stick, and you know that whole story of the 'good nurse.' I am in the RN to MSN (skipping my BSN) program at a local university. I have always said that BS is Bull S___ and MS is More S____ and PHD is piles and heaps of d____. But, I have learned a great deal in my classes; where nursing came from and where we need to go to define our profession separately and not be considered just the doctor's helpers. We, nurses, have given away many of the things I always considered nursing. If we have a bad decubitus ulcer......guess what, we refer to PT do the the wound care; and never could we do a nebulizer or RT tx or manage a vent.....that requires a specialists. You get the picture. We have become a task oriented 'profession' willing to give up the cumbersom tasks to others who are making (taking) money from the DRG/insurance. Wonder why hospital costs are high? Nursing needs to be in charge of the patient's care, directing and guiding; we are the profesionals that are in charge of patient care. Or are we?

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Specializes in Telemetry/Med Surg.
Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

I'm in a diploma program and am just curious. What type of assessment skills (that are more advanced) than in a 2-year program are you talking about. We also do management and everything else that you listed.

Not knocking the BSN program if you want to advance. But let me get this right. BSN you do about 2 years prereqs and 2 years of actual nursing?

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Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

Tony, I think you have shared some pretty BOGUS information here.

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Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

Your BSN certainly will NOT be a waste of time. However, if you are sitting back, resting on your laurels, figuring you will be a better (more competant) nurse because you have a BSN (and all this additional more extensive training that you mention), you are in for a rude awakening. When you have to cut it as a staff nurse and really perform on your own, you may not make the grade. Book smarts is only a small portion of nursing, I'm afraid.

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Why don't you just do a RN to MSN program? Takes same amount of time and you get to your goal quicker. I have a diploma with MANY years of experience and I am unable to move upward because I don't have "BSN" after my name. I am looking into a local university program here and I just want to cut through the crap and get to my goal. Good Luck!!!

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Specializes in Med-Surg.

never mind. Thanks.

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