I don't think that is the concern, it is the sexual predators SAYING they self identify. Let's face it, real trans have used their self identified restrooms all along, no problems, but by making a huge deal of it, you have given a free ticket to the opportunists to "self identify" for more than just identification reasons.
Thank you Mr!!!!! I've been trying to put this into words but, because the subject has gotten me so "flustered" and I'm trying to be progressive minded I just couldn't connect the dots. But you said exactly what I was thinking but unable to verbalize. This is my biggest concern. Thank You!!!!
Thank you Mr. Outside of this school environment trans people have been using the bathroom that matches their outsides for years. Would you want your daughter to share a bathroom room with 'her'? [ATTACH]22078[/ATTACH]
Thank you Mr. Outside of this school environment trans people have been using the bathroom that matches their outsides for years. Would you want your daughter to share a bathroom room with 'her'? [ATTACH]22078[/ATTACH]
Seriously? How much contact have you had with the transgendered?
A trans female is NOT going to walk around looking like a Justin Bieber wannabe, with a six pack and copious underarm hair.
There is not much to fear from the transgendered (except that some of them look better in a dress and heels than I do, but that's my issue lol).
I just saw a news report about an 8 year old girl who was jumped in a restaurant bathroom. While her mother was in the next stall.
By a large, bat crap crazy male.
Who identifies as a male.
THAT'S who you need to be concerned about sharing a public restroom with your daughter.
Thank you Mr. Outside of this school environment trans people have been using the bathroom that matches their outsides for years. Would you want your daughter to share a bathroom room with 'her'? [ATTACH]22078[/ATTACH]
...where did you even get that photo from? I mean, was there a post or anything attached to it saying that he self-identifies as female or are you just posting random pics trying to prove a point?
On an off-side, I wouldn't mind sharing a bathroom with him... :)
I have been exposed to transgender. As we all have. And just did not know. And the male with the bat was a predicator. No bathroom law enabled him to be there or not.
Our pro-LGBT government did a census where they found 1 in 2,400 Americans identify themselves as being transgender. That's 1 in 2,400 Americans who have a belief system they were born in the wrong body/sex.
So the entire idea of trying to change policy which helps (doesn't guarantee; it helps) privacy and safety for an extremely small group of people doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. I think this is a dangerous turn.
(my bold)
You used this phrase more than once in various posts in this thread. It seems important for you to emphasize this. Why?
Is it the size of any given group that should dictate which rights and obligations that specific group should have?
1 in 2,400 of the US population equals approximately 135,000 individuals.
Is onehundredandthirtyfivethousand people a small group? A large group? Medium sized?
It's all relative and as I've already asked, should the size of the group really be the deciding factor?
Nurses are life long students of nursing science. Through nursing and medical science we already know sex change operations do not change one's DNA / chromosomes. A male who goes into surgery to be made to look like (not become) a female will not menstruate, ovulate, or be able to bear children. A female who has surgery to be made to look like (not become) a male will not be able to produce viable sperm to impregnate a female.
Most reasonably well-informed/educated individuals realize this, whether they are nurses or not.
Again, I question the relevance. How is the ability to ovulate or produce viable sperm even remotely pertinent to the average public restroom visit?
So the issue comes down to an extremely small (1 in 2,400 people) group of people asking to use showers, bathrooms, and other facilities opposite of their biological sex.
(again, my bold)
I'm pointing out numbers because a number of sources will (hopefully it is unintentional) lie stating we've been sharing such facilities all the long in our life time when the fact is it would take thousands of such events in order to come across the 1 in 2,400 that truly believes they were born in the wrong body/sex.
Are the sources really lying as you claim? First of all, what do you interpret "all the long in our life time" to mean? It's extremely vague. It could mean that you've used a public restroom at the same time as a transgendered individual once every three years in the past thirty years. It could mean twice daily for the past forty years. It could mean pretty much anything. With a statement as vague as that, I don't see how you can claim that it is a lie.
Does it really take thousands of events to come across the 1 in 2,400?
I love to play poker :) Which of course means that I also love probability theory
How many stalls in the public restroom of the average restaurant? The average shopping mall? Sports arena? Nightclub? Large international airport? How many of them might be occupied during at least part of a random person's visit to one of these locations? How often does the average Joe utilize these facilities? Anyway.... I'm sure that you realize that this means that the random person doesn't have to make 2,400 individual visits to a public restroom...
Let's say you work in an office with 100 employees to a floor. You have x number of employee restrooms with y number of stalls in your office. How many of your 99 coworkers are transgender? Who knows... (The only thing you can be quite certain that it'snot, is 1/24th of a human being, since I don't ever see one transgendered right tib-fib (or whatever one twentyforth of a person might look like) ever gaining employment in an office ) You use the restroom at work twice daily which amounts to ten times a week (if you work Mon-Fri). Is it still 1 in 2,400.... or something else?
Now, the real issue becomes the sad fact there are far more sex offenders (including would be offenders) than the 1 in 2,400 transgenders who desire to look like the opposite sex (they cannot become the opposite sex -- only look the part, even with surgery). These sex offenders will look for every single opportunity, and will take advantage of any door opened (no pun intended) for or to them.
As I have a previous Master's degree in Criminology I find this line of thought very interesting (eventhough I must admit, a bit perplexing).
I'm not sure what point you're attempting to argue here? Are you saying that sex offenders will start hormone therapy or have surgery to look more like the opposite sex, so they can enter public restrooms of the opposite sex and commit sexual assaults? Or are they simply going to wear wigs and heels or glue on fake mustaches (depending on which sex they want to look like) and do the same? Or will they simply going into the ladies' room being men and looking like men while loudly proclaiming that they are transgender in order to justify to any onlookers why they're entering the ladies room? (or vice versa with women).
The thing is.. Sexual predators/rapists are perfectly capable of sneaking into the restroom of the opposite sex as it is. It has happened more than once. (The thing with criminals... Is that they don't have much respect for the law... So the fact that they're not supposed to go into a restroom, isn't much of a deterrent). Do you have any factual foundation for believing that allowing transgendered individuals to use the restroom for the "opposite" sex, will actually increase the number of sex crimes committed?
Honestly, wouldn't it be more accurate for you to simply say that you (for whatever personal reasons) don't like the idea of a transgendered individual being allowed to use the restroom intended for the sex they identify with, rather than throwing a lot of numbers around and hypothesizing about the future sex crime rates (based on nothing more than unscientific speculation and personal opinion it would seem), as an attempt to justify your position?
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Now, now, you know this is going to open up the can o' worms.
I have 2 kids here that openly identify as TG. They are younger, middle school. One female, one male.
Truthfully, I don't know how comfortable THEY will feel going into a different bathroom. They are 13.
I will cross that bridge when the road leads there, but I will try to support the kids, both the TG and the Cisgendered. That's my tole as the nurse in this situation, I'm thinking.
Also, I anticipate them using MY bathroom when they get older. Which is fine with me.
My Principal and APs will support. The parents will be a mixed bag.
What does 'cisgendered' mean? I've never heard that term
...where did you even get that photo from? I mean, was there a post or anything attached to it saying that he self-identifies as female or are you just posting random pics trying to prove a point?
On an off-side, I wouldn't mind sharing a bathroom with him... :)
Actually, I believe that the picture is of a man that was born female.
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Thank you Mr!!!!! I've been trying to put this into words but, because the subject has gotten me so "flustered" and I'm trying to be progressive minded I just couldn't connect the dots. But you said exactly what I was thinking but unable to verbalize. This is my biggest concern. Thank You!!!!