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Wow. No one has started such a thread yet?
After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days, apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.
Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week, by the end of April.
20 hours ago, Beerman said:"Now, having defeated Trump, President Joe Biden has reached a point where those who demanded Trump’s resignation should be calling for Biden’s, unless it was all just partisan bellyaching."
The Daily Wire? The NY Post? And by the way, the Post article was an editorial. Could you find some publications that aren't so lurid? When linking to the Post editorial, I had to see the headline about a prostitute being found dead in a barrel in New Jersey. These publications are printed for people who can't read any article longer than a few paragraphs before they have to turn the page to find the bathing beauty at Orchard Beach in the Bronx.
14 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:Trump's plan for the exit was with conditions that were not met, hence a new plan was needed. It was the job of the current administration to do just that, but instead we got an epic failure.
The Southern border was under control when Trump left office. The current catastrophe is all on the Biden/Harris admin who purposefully opened the border.
Both of these situations are 100% on the current admin no matter how many times you all try to spin otherwise.
Was Biden supposed to ask the Taliban to be nice about us getting out? Maybe we should have called on the Mossad to make an extraction plan. They have records of success:) Pray tell, how was the southern border "under control" before Biden? Deportations are up now with Biden. Just what is it you want him to do? Perhaps if his predecessor would have assured some peace and jobs in these central american countries, we wouldn't have them fleeing to the border to start with.
39 minutes ago, subee said:The Daily Wire? The NY Post? And by the way, the Post article was an editorial. Could you find some publications that aren't so lurid? When linking to the Post editorial, I had to see the headline about a prostitute being found dead in a barrel in New Jersey. These publications are printed for people who can't read any article longer than a few paragraphs before they have to turn the page to find the bathing beauty at Orchard Beach in the Bronx.
Actually, they both were editorials. I don't know why so many here need to point that out all the time. I'm assuming we all can figure that out.
Nice job deflecting though. Instead actually discussing the points made in the editorial, it seems people just want to bash the publication and the reader. Easier to do that I guess then try to have a intellectual discussion.
Same ole same ole. ?
20 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:Trump's plan for the exit was with conditions that were not met, hence a new plan was needed. It was the job of the current administration to do just that, but instead we got an epic failure.
The Southern border was under control when Trump left office. The current catastrophe is all on the Biden/Harris admin who purposefully opened the border.
Both of these situations are 100% on the current admin no matter how many times you all try to spin otherwise.
You're correct that the Taliban appeared to have possibly violated the condition of the deal, but that was in March of 2020. The Trump administration then determined they had not violated the deal sufficiently revoke the deal and continued to oversee the release of Taliban prisoners. The Taliban then continued to push the limits of the deal over the next few months, but Trump himself announced in September that the deal was still ongoing and going well.
The southern border was a (poop)show when Trump left office with a huge backlog of asyslum seekers waiting to be processed (for the most part to be processed and returned to their countries of origin) leaving them easy targets for human traffickers among other things.
Biden "opened the border"?
6 minutes ago, MunoRN said:You're correct that the Taliban appeared to have possibly violated the condition of the deal, but that was in March of 2020. The Trump administration then determined they had not violated the deal sufficiently revoke the deal and continued to oversee the release of Taliban prisoners. The Taliban then continued to push the limits of the deal over the next few months, but Trump himself announced in September that the deal was still ongoing and going well.
The southern border was a (poop)show when Trump left office with a huge backlog of asyslum seekers waiting to be processed (for the most part to be processed and returned to their countries of origin) leaving them easy targets for human traffickers among other things.
Biden "opened the border"?
I guess some people don't understand what "deportation" means.
https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/blame-joe-biden-the-afghanistan-disaster-no-one-else
5 minutes ago, Beerman said:"Blame Joe Biden for the Afghanistan Disaster. No One Else."
https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/blame-joe-biden-the-afghanistan-disaster-no-one-else
Editorial. Gee, I'm so shocked that the Heritage Institute would print something like that:) I'll give you another editorial that's possib as unfactual as yours (because it's an editorial):
Only Trump, Mike Pence, and Mike Pompeo seem to be defending Trump's 2020 Taliban peace deal
PETER WEBER
AUGUST 20, 2021
Patrick Semansky/Pool/AFP/Getty Images
Few people seem impressed with President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, a sooner-than-expected military-run airlift operation from Kabul's civilian airport. Biden says his options were limited by a February 2020 peace treaty former President Donald Trump's team signed with the Taliban in Doha requiring all U.S. forces to exit Afghanistan by May 1.
Trump, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and former Vice President Mike Pence have all said this week that if Biden followed Trump's Doha agreement better, Afghanistan wouldn't be such a mess. But they can't quite agree on why that's true, and few other high-ranking Trump national security officials seem to agree with them.
Pompeo told Fox News Sunday "we would have demanded that the Taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we laid out in the agreement," including engaging "in meaningful power-sharing agreement" talks, "before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw." ("The Taliban have not violated any of the written conditions of the four-page agreement signed in Doha," The New York Times notes.)
Pence argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ED that the Taliban only took over the country because Biden broke the Doha agreement by not withdrawing all U.S. forces by Trump's May 1 deadline.
On the other hand, Trump's first national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said Pompeo "signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban" and traced Afghanistan's collapse "back to the capitulation agreement of 2020." Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert on Trump's National Security Council, told The Associated Press "the Doha agreement was a very weak agreement" that gave the Taliban too much — including 5,000 released prisoners — and seriously weakened the Afghan government.
Trump's defense secretary during the Taliban negotiations, Mark Esper, told CNN Wednesday that Trump "undermined" his own deal by publicly pushing to withdraw all U.S. troops even if the Taliban didn't live up to its side of the treaty. Christopher Miller, Esper's successor, told Defense One that Trump never planned to withdraw U.S. troops and considered the treaty a "play" to get Afghanistan's president to negotiate a power-sharing deal with the Taliban.
"In many ways, this is an overdue conversation," Aaron Blake writes at The Washington Post. "Trump's negotiations with the Taliban weren't huge news outside foreign policy circles because the war wasn't front-of-mind at the time," mostly. Still, he said, "it's striking" that so many "people who served in high-ranking foreign policy roles in the Trump administration seem to recognize the rise of the Taliban isn't going to make Trump's decision look like a great idea."
This is from The Week.
On 8/23/2021 at 7:50 AM, subee said:Editorial. Gee, I'm so shocked that the Heritage Institute would print something like that:) I'll give you another editorial that's possib as unfactual as yours (because it's an editorial):
Only Trump, Mike Pence, and Mike Pompeo seem to be defending Trump's 2020 Taliban peace deal
PETER WEBER
AUGUST 20, 2021
Patrick Semansky/Pool/AFP/Getty Images
Few people seem impressed with President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, a sooner-than-expected military-run airlift operation from Kabul's civilian airport. Biden says his options were limited by a February 2020 peace treaty former President Donald Trump's team signed with the Taliban in Doha requiring all U.S. forces to exit Afghanistan by May 1.
Trump, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and former Vice President Mike Pence have all said this week that if Biden followed Trump's Doha agreement better, Afghanistan wouldn't be such a mess. But they can't quite agree on why that's true, and few other high-ranking Trump national security officials seem to agree with them.
Pompeo told Fox News Sunday "we would have demanded that the Taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we laid out in the agreement," including engaging "in meaningful power-sharing agreement" talks, "before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw." ("The Taliban have not violated any of the written conditions of the four-page agreement signed in Doha," The New York Times notes.)
Pence argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ED that the Taliban only took over the country because Biden broke the Doha agreement by not withdrawing all U.S. forces by Trump's May 1 deadline.
On the other hand, Trump's first national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, said Pompeo "signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban" and traced Afghanistan's collapse "back to the capitulation agreement of 2020." Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert on Trump's National Security Council, told The Associated Press "the Doha agreement was a very weak agreement" that gave the Taliban too much — including 5,000 released prisoners — and seriously weakened the Afghan government.
Trump's defense secretary during the Taliban negotiations, Mark Esper, told CNN Wednesday that Trump "undermined" his own deal by publicly pushing to withdraw all U.S. troops even if the Taliban didn't live up to its side of the treaty. Christopher Miller, Esper's successor, told Defense One that Trump never planned to withdraw U.S. troops and considered the treaty a "play" to get Afghanistan's president to negotiate a power-sharing deal with the Taliban.
"In many ways, this is an overdue conversation," Aaron Blake writes at The Washington Post. "Trump's negotiations with the Taliban weren't huge news outside foreign policy circles because the war wasn't front-of-mind at the time," mostly. Still, he said, "it's striking" that so many "people who served in high-ranking foreign policy roles in the Trump administration seem to recognize the rise of the Taliban isn't going to make Trump's decision look like a great idea."
This is from The Week.
Anything specific you disagree with in the editorial I provided? Or, once again, just know you don't like it because of where it was published?
Your editorial is based on the premise that Afghanistan is a mess because of the deal Trump made. Suppose that is true. Why couldn't Biden scrap all of Trump's plans and implement his own? He certainly has proven he is willing and capable to undo whatever Trump has done. Why not in this case?
6 minutes ago, Beerman said:Anything specific you disagree with in the editorial I provided? Or, once again, just know you don't like it because of where it was published?
Your editorial is based on the premise that Afghanistan is a mess because of the deal Trump made. Suppose that is true. Why couldn't Biden scrap all of Trump's plans and implement his own? He certainly has proven he is willing and capable to undo whatever Trump has done. Why not in this case?
He obviously made the mistake of agreeing with the Trump plan. Regardless of where an editorial comes from, I always read them skeptically but for the sake of reading another point of view. However, I do not bother ever reading an editorial from crap publications like the NYPost.
4 minutes ago, Beerman said:Your editorial is based on the premise that Afghanistan is a mess because of the deal Trump made. Suppose that is true. Why couldn't Biden scrap all of Trump's plans and implement his own? He certainly has proven he is willing and capable to undo whatever Trump has done. Why not in this case?
So tell us...why couldn't he undo all of the Trump malfeasance and incompetence in a few months? I mean, they had that transition of power to discover all of these things before January 20, right? Oh wait...
55 minutes ago, subee said:He obviously made the mistake of agreeing with the Trump plan. Regardless of where an editorial comes from, I always read them skeptically but for the sake of reading another point of view. However, I do not bother ever reading an editorial from crap publications like the NYPost.
The editorial I was referring to was in The Heritage.
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Maybe the liberal media is biased because I read a lot of news from several publications both domestically and internationally, not much watching, and I don't see much mention of any crisis on the border. Not from the Civil rights or immigration groups or any of the talking heads.
So where is the crisis coming from? Where is there anything about Biden burning bridges with the international crowd? There was a brief mention from that prat Tony Blair, but then he is a prat!