President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

You seem really desperate to separate Trump from the plans of Team Trump.  It's almost like you don't know that many of the authors of the Project are Trump staff or advisors.  

It is kind of amusing to watch people desperate to believe what a lying conman tells them even when he's used exactly the same type of lies to deny other knowledge or behaviors previously.  How can people be so terminally gullible? 

OMG... that's funny.  

You seem desperate to pin this idea on Trump but yet have no evidence for it. 

In fact ya all are desperate knowing Biden will not /cannot run the US. 

Either you willfully hand Trump the presidency to Trump or expose the true color of the Democrat party...... 

What a weave the left has woven. I'm sure there's will be many tears if Teump does what the democrats did in including the justice system to go after political opponents. It's okay when the left does it...... 

I wish t was hilarious or funny. 

subee said:

And I didn't me mention anything about excess guns being used for hate crimes  during the pandemic.  But more guns will be used in domestic violence, bar fights , child accidents ta, etc.  I think illegal immigration is illegal on it's own.  It's the guy you are promoting that calls them rapist and murderers.  I think home grown radicals affect us in a worst way and we're shown to have direct access to the WH during the insurrection. 

And Jan.6 was worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbour too right ? Looool

Some think this is worse than Jan.6 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

How many died during the "insurrection "?  Don't say the police officer getting hit by a fire extinguisher.  Or after. 

D u r I n g.... 

1 a Trump supporter.  Should be happy. 

Crusades said:

Removing minor's healthy limbs and organs under all the risks of general anesthetic/infection is not healthcare. 

Introducing dangerous harmful medications to stop or modify a natural process is not healthcare. 

Up until recently it would be condlsidered medical malpractice to remove healthy limbs/organs and/or prescribed dangerous medications in the absence of disease. 

Show me evidence Trump supports or endorces or authored anything in the "project 2024" idea. 

I'll wait..... 

Mischaracterization of that which you disagree with seems to be a pattern. 

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children

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The American Medical Association (AMA) today urged governors to oppose state legislation that would prohibit medically necessary gender transition-related care for minor patients, calling such efforts "a dangerous intrusion into the practice of medicine.” In a letter to the National Governors Association (NGA), the AMA cited evidence that trans and non-binary gender identities are normal variations of human identity and expression, and that forgoing gender-affirming care can have tragic health consequences, both mental and physical.

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/25340/AAP-reaffirms-gender-affirming-care-policy

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The AAP and other major medical organizations — including the American Medical Association, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the World Health Organization — support giving transgender adolescents access to the health care they need.

The AAP opposes any laws or regulations that discriminate against transgender and gender-diverse individuals, or that interfere in the doctor-patient relationship.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9553112/

I don't need to show you that Trump supports 2025.  Just like with transgendered health care, you believe a right wing narrative that is not reflective of actual reality and showing you facts doesn't change your beliefs.  Trump said he doesn't support P2025 and you believe him. It's as simple and clean as that for his devoted fan base.  No other information is required for that belief.  

The problem for Trump is that most Americans know that he is a corrupt liar and won't believe him.  That's why he got fired in 2020. He got fired before he tried to overthrow our government or talked about terminating parts of the constitution and before he was convicted of felonies.  

His biggest hope now is to convince moderates and independents that Biden is too old and that his team isn't part of P2025.  We'll see how that goes for him.  

Crusades said:

You seem desperate to pin this idea on Trump but yet have no evidence for it. 

In fact ya all are desperate knowing Biden will not /cannot run the US. 

Either you willfully hand Trump the presidency to Trump or expose the true color of the Democrat party...... 

What a weave the left has woven. I'm sure there's will be many tears if Teump does what the democrats did in including the justice system to go after political opponents. It's okay when the left does it...... 

I wish t was hilarious or funny. 

LOL

I don't need to pin P2025 on Trump, the manifesto specifically mentions Trump hundreds of times.  How inconvenient for Trump. 

We have proof that Biden can, in fact, run the country much more successfully than his opponent ran the country.  You still haven't imprinted that Trump was ranked very lowly in ability to run the country and Biden was rated very highly? Biden's achievements outpace Trump's on most metrics used to measure a presidency.  

The true color of the democratic party is defense of democracy in any contest against Trump and his political movement.  You can't see that, eh? 

Your last paragraph wasn't really understandable.  What weave have democrats woven?  What have democrats done with the justice system?  Biden can sort of do what he wants with the DOJ as long as he calls it an official act or duty, right? Isn't that what  the SCOTUS recently decided? 

No, an American struggle against right wing authoritarianism isn't funny at all.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Mischaracterization of that which you disagree with seems to be a pattern. 

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/25340/AAP-reaffirms-gender-affirming-care-policy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9553112/

 

I don't need to show you that Trump supports 2025.  Just like with transgendered health care, you believe a right wing narrative that is not reflective of actual reality and showing you facts doesn't change your beliefs.  Trump said he doesn't support P2025 and you believe him. It's as simple and clean as that for his devoted fan base.  No other information is required for that belief.  

The problem for Trump is that most Americans know that he is a corrupt liar and won't believe him.  That's why he got fired in 2020. He got fired before he tried to overthrow our government or talked about terminating parts of the constitution and before he was convicted of felonies.  

His biggest hope now is to convince moderates and independents that Biden is too old and that his team isn't part of P2025.  We'll see how that goes for him.  

You "don't have to show me that Trump supports 2025" because you cannot. Or you would. You also know very well he has said he does not. You may chose to believe your media but this  "support" would go against his "narcissism". If he came up with it, he would say it. Also, he wouldn't allow another entity to take credit for it. The authors have also said that it is not related to any political group or candidate.  

And Bidens biggest hope is that his party will support him and win the election. Isn't looking good for him. 

It's all a desperate propagandic fear machine from the desperation of democrats who know they messed up..same as "Trump will be a dictator" in 2016. Problem is, that didn't happen. 

Thanks for the info on the current position of care for minors. Now show me what state doesn't allow medical care for trans minors........ I noticed your sources failed to address the amputation of healthy limbs and chemical drugs. Only that they support gender care. The fallacy of omission.  

Better yet, show me how any state that seeks to not provide "Medical Care" to trans youth because they are trans  like your fallacies of missed use of  words suggests. "Deny trans health care.... " 

toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

I don't need to pin P2025 on Trump, the manifesto specifically mentions Trump hundreds of times.  How inconvenient for Trump. 

We have proof that Biden can, in fact, run the country much more successfully than his opponent ran the country.  You still haven't imprinted that Trump was ranked very lowly in ability to run the country and Biden was rated very highly? Biden's achievements outpace Trump's on most metrics used to measure a presidency.  

The true color of the democratic party is defense of democracy in any contest against Trump and his political movement.  You can't see that, eh? 

Your last paragraph wasn't really understandable.  What weave have democrats woven?  What have democrats done with the justice system?  Biden can sort of do what he wants with the DOJ as long as he calls it an official act or duty, right? Isn't that what  the SCOTUS recently decided? 

No, an American struggle against right wing authoritarianism isn't funny at all.  

 

Don't you deal in "facts and evidence"? 

Until Trump endorses 2025, it's non verified propaganda.  A desperate left boogie man. 

Yes. Biden most definitely should stay in the race. Right to the end. Eventhough he has little chance. 

The weave is keep Joe, lose, get rid of him and let the mask slip. Trump wins they may have to contend with the precedent they have set around finding criminal charges for political opponents.  I think the word us "retribution ". Which translates into we did it but you can't. 

toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

I don't need to pin P2025 on Trump, the manifesto specifically mentions Trump hundreds of times.  How inconvenient for Trump. 

We have proof that Biden can, in fact, run the country much more successfully than his opponent ran the country.  You still haven't imprinted that Trump was ranked very lowly in ability to run the country and Biden was rated very highly? Biden's achievements outpace Trump's on most metrics used to measure a presidency.  

The true color of the democratic party is defense of democracy in any contest against Trump and his political movement.  You can't see that, eh? 

Your last paragraph wasn't really understandable.  What weave have democrats woven?  What have democrats done with the justice system?  Biden can sort of do what he wants with the DOJ as long as he calls it an official act or duty, right? Isn't that what  the SCOTUS recently decided? 

No, an American struggle against right wing authoritarianism isn't funny at all.  

 

"Authoritarian". You said that in 2016. 

Seems the democratic party is now the party or irrational hysterical fears and conspiracy. 

A friend posted on his Facebook the other day a meme about "Trump's 2025 plan".  I corrected him in that it's Trump's allies plan.  

People need to understand that Trump is not associated with his plan.   It is what it is: a wish list from a think tank.  To me nothing in it surprises me much, but seeing it all in one place does give people a starting point for not wanting a right wing agenda to happen.  I also don't blame anyone for talking about it and making it a part of the campaign, and that republicans are getting defensive about it and trying to distance themselves from it.

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 Sens. J.D. Vance, R-Ohio, and Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said Sunday they haven't been asked to be former President Donald Trump's 2024 running mate, but both tried to defend the former president against Democratic allegations about a far-reaching effort know as "Project 2025."

Vance and Rubio said Trump is not beholden to the agenda of Project 2025, a program created by the conservative Heritage Foundation that calls for slashing social programs and making the government more partisan.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/07/jd-vance-marco-rubio-donald-trump-project-2025/74321218007/

Tweety said:

A friend posted on his Facebook the other day a meme about "Trump's 2025 plan".  I corrected him in that it's Trump's allies plan.  

People need to understand that Trump is not associated with his plan.   It is what it is: a wish list from a think tank.  To me nothing in it surprises me much, but seeing it all in one place does give people a starting point for not wanting a right wing agenda to happen.  I also don't blame anyone for talking about it and making it a part of the campaign, and that republicans are getting defensive about it and trying to distance themselves from it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/07/jd-vance-marco-rubio-donald-trump-project-2025/74321218007/

 

 

 

Yes. Also the Heritage Foundation has said, 

"A spokesperson for the plan said Project 2025 is not tied to a specific candidate or campaign."

Trump has said, 

"“I know nothing about Project 2025,” Trump posted on his social media website. "I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.”

Whether some still feel it's "Trump's plan for authoritarianism ", there is no evidence that it is. Just speculation and feelings. 

https://time.com/6995370/trump-disavows-project-2025-transition-plan/

toomuchbaloney said:

No, I used exactly the word I intended to use. 

Nah... abortion is health care and Trump is proud of the chaotic and crazy restrictions on that healthcare access enacted by republican lawmakers and religious zealots.  

You are pushing against the standard of care for transgendered youth, preferring the treatment options s designed by extremists and zealots rather than by health professionals. 

All while you pretend that other members are misleading people simply because you believe lies and propaganda and disagree with reality about Trump and his agenda.  

 

I see no evidence that children are receiving gender surgery before the age of 18.  You will have to prove that this is happening in significant numbers.  Puberty blockers aren't introducted until ...puberty and the effects are reversible.  Young children receive psychological support as a form of transgender "treatment" so technically they are received medical management.  If you have evidence of widespread, aggressive or surgical treatment of children,  I'd love to see it.  The fuss is created by RWM who aren't very bright or curious enough to read what's actually happening.  This is a made-up issue isn't anyone's business except the child's and the parents'.  I don't know why you would think that you know better than a pediatric endocrinologist ANYTHING about what these families need.