President Biden thread

11 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Biden has a huge challenge in the rollout as the number of people being vaccinated is on the decline.  The number of people that either know they will not take it or are hesitant is huge.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/number-americans-vaccinated-decline/story?id=77222715

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/health/us-coronavirus-Tuesday/index.html

Yes.

Lots of media outlets now discuss this seemingly unmovable "conservative" thinking that the vaccines are not trust worthy.  I routinely wonder if the conservative political leadership is encouraging vaccinating in those states.  

Conservative Vaccine  Hesitancy

18 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

One could argue that perhaps people who make policies that hurt poor communities and/or others in America with their immigration policies are racist, bigoted or sexist against those already here.

How White Supremacy Returned to Mainstream Politics

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes.

Lots of media outlets now discuss this seemingly unmovable "conservative" thinking that the vaccines are not trust worthy.  I routinely wonder if the conservative political leadership is encouraging vaccinating in those states.  

Conservative Vaccine  Hesitancy

Our Republican Governor is pro-vaccine and he was for "personal freedom" and was one the last places to lock down and first to reopen, and says mask mandates can not be enforced.  So it's kind of an awkward situation of promoting business, getting together without masks, downplaying the seriousness of it all to having to explain the importance of getting the vaccine.  

Seniors in Florida, which do present a large part of his base are thankfully among the most vaccinated in the country, so the hesitancy is a bit more complicated than just a conservative reluctance although that seems part of the equation.   I wonder if Democrat states have worse percentages of conservative hesitancy since those people might not trust their governor the way people here seem to be trusting ours.

https://www.Yahoo.com/huffpost/ron-desantis-coronavirus-vaccines-rich-white-094500050.html

If people use a logical thought process to refuse the vaccine I'm okay with that.  But I heard someone say "the idea of injecting something to stop a disease just seems wrong to me" because that shows an underlying ignorance in how vaccines work.   Others have expressed concerns about "what they put in their body" but eat pesticides laden produce, and meat injected with all kinds of vaccines and medications.

Shaking my head.

7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Our Republican Governor is pro-vaccine and he was for "personal freedom" and was one the last places to lock down and first to reopen, and says mask mandates can not be enforced.  So it's kind of an awkward situation of promoting business, getting together without masks, downplaying the seriousness of it all to having to explain the importance of getting the vaccine.  

Seniors in Florida, which do present a large part of his base are thankfully among the most vaccinated in the country, so the hesitancy is a bit more complicated than just a conservative reluctance although that seems part of the equation.   I wonder if Democrat states have worse percentages of conservative hesitancy since those people might not trust their governor the way people here seem to be trusting ours.

https://www.Yahoo.com/huffpost/ron-desantis-coronavirus-vaccines-rich-white-094500050.html

If people use a logical thought process to refuse the vaccine I'm okay with that.  But I heard someone say "the idea of injecting something to stop a disease just seems wrong to me" because that shows an underlying ignorance in how vaccines work.   Others have expressed concerns about "what they put in their body" but eat pesticides laden produce, and meat injected with all kinds of vaccines and medications.

Shaking my head.

Maybe? 

It is the political conservatives in this conservative state of Alaska that are reluctant to vaccinate.  Seems like that's also true in other republican lead states. 

White Republicans are refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine more than any other demographic group in Texas

That's from the Texas Tribune.  

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In Texas, 61% of white Republicans, and 59% of all Republicans regardless of race, either said they are reluctant to get the vaccine or would refuse it outright, according to the February University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll. That’s not an insignificant portion of the state’s population — over 52% of the state’s ballots in November were cast for former President Donald Trump.

Only 25% of Texas Democrats said they were hesitant or would refuse to get a COVID-19 shot, according to the poll.

Herd immunity will never be achieved in that region if that silliness continues. 

69% White Rural TN Conservatives Refuse Vaccine

Conservatives who are afraid of the vaccine will guarantee the prolonged struggle with covid and the development of more variants. That's just the way it is. 

2 hours ago, subee said:

I didn't realize that we never had a border problem before Biden!  Daisy4RN, what would you do to "solve" this seemingly unsolvable problem?  Multiple countries in Europe are stymied by the same problem.  Complaining is so easy.  Policy is so difficult.

Of course we have had a problem at the border before Biden, he just made it much worse. I blame politicians (both sides) for the last 50yrs for not doing their job! It is not my job to solve the problem it is theirs. That said this is how to solve it, just like Nursel56 said, both parties coming together and actually doing their job (like at one point in time they did), policy is difficult but that is why we the people are paying them!

It is not helpful, and actually harmful, that we as a society and nation have come to the place that we are not actively listening to each other/the other side. That is how our Country is supposed to work, a two party system with different ideas and thoughts meeting in the middle. 

When one continues to call someone else a racist and/or white supremist because they don't like their opinions that is not helpful. People here have completely dismissed the website I have used (because right leaning) by using left leaning websites and "fact checkers". And again it is sad that everything is bias one way or the other when it should just be facts.

I usually work under the assumption that there is always bias (both ways) and that the facts lie somewhere in the middle.

If we, as a nation, cannot get back to the place where we listen to each other and meet in the middle (without the name calling, rioting, people getting fired, dehumanizing those with different ideas and thoughts etc.) I hate to see how this Country turns out in the end, it won't be pretty.

Do we really want to have a one party system, seriously how can that end up good for anyone and that is exactly where we are headed. Maybe people who lean left are OK with that but IMO it won't end up good for you either!

41 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

When one continues to call someone else a racist and/or white supremist because they don't like their opinions that is not helpful. People here have completely dismissed the website I have used (because right leaning) by using left leaning websites and "fact checkers". And again it is sad that everything is bias one way or the other when it should just be facts.

That's dishonest as hell.  I informed you that the site that you are using to inform yourself is an extremist right wing organization considered to be a hate group which engages in publishing inaccurate content while enjoying affiliation with white supremacists.  It maybe says something about you, that you don't care what's in that koolaid you're drinking.

41 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

 

If we, as a nation, cannot get back to the place where we listen to each other and meet in the middle (without the name calling, rioting, people getting fired, dehumanizing those with different ideas and thoughts etc.) I hate to see how this Country turns out in the end, it won't be pretty.

Sure.

Let me know when republicans elevate someone besides Trump or McConnell to reflect that desire for respectful listening, discourse and political compromise.  How do you think things are going now when conservative politicians are censured for speaking truth about Trump but not for lying about election fraud?

Yeah, I've been saying for a spell that when a sizeable portion of the country has believed propaganda and a well known corrupt liar who manipulates them, it is very dangerous for our republic.  Trump supporters proved me right on 010621 and it seems that they aren't done planning for Trump to be returned to power...by any means.  

10 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Of course we have had a problem at the border before Biden, he just made it much worse. I blame politicians (both sides) for the last 50yrs for not doing their job! It is not my job to solve the problem it is theirs. That said this is how to solve it, just like Nursel56 said, both parties coming together and actually doing their job (like at one point in time they did), policy is difficult but that is why we the people are paying them!

It is not helpful, and actually harmful, that we as a society and nation have come to the place that we are not actively listening to each other/the other side. That is how our Country is supposed to work, a two party system with different ideas and thoughts meeting in the middle. 

When one continues to call someone else a racist and/or white supremist because they don't like their opinions that is not helpful. People here have completely dismissed the website I have used (because right leaning) by using left leaning websites and "fact checkers". And again it is sad that everything is bias one way or the other when it should just be facts.

I usually work under the assumption that there is always bias (both ways) and that the facts lie somewhere in the middle.

If we, as a nation, cannot get back to the place where we listen to each other and meet in the middle (without the name calling, rioting, people getting fired, dehumanizing those with different ideas and thoughts etc.) I hate to see how this Country turns out in the end, it won't be pretty.

Do we really want to have a one party system, seriously how can that end up good for anyone and that is exactly where we are headed. Maybe people who lean left are OK with that but IMO it won't end up good for you either!

1.  I didn't call you a racist or a white supremacist.

2.  Don't mistake me for someone to the left of Whoopie.  Decades ago a young mother who lived in a community near me was slaughtered in fromt of her 3 year old by a man with a violent criminal record in Mexico and had been deported several times but always managed to get back in.  Why isn't he in prison in Mexico and if they won't lock him up, why can't we?

3.  I would love to see a Republican party that had a moderate platform but it is now inhabited by the weakest minds in Congress.  All thinking Republicans have left or maintain their distance from the fringe that has taken over.  They refused to iterate a platform for the 2020 election because they were incapable of coherency and it was just too hard?  There's actually hardly anyone left to communicate with in the Republican party since they think MTG is embraced  but they want to  castigate Liz Cheney for speaking up about the Insurrection.

4.  We can't follow immigration policy because we don't have any.  Representatives are supposed to listen to the ideas of their constituents.  If constituents don't have any ideas, they don't either.  Our own previous policies towards Latin America have created the problem and one or two or three presidents cannot turn this boat around.

5.  Why do Ivanka and other business people not invest in the countries that are driving their people away?  Can Guatemala be more corrupt than China?  Doubtful.

6.  If anyone is serious about "solving" immigration, don't demonize the Dreamers who have been blameless and deport them back to a country they never knew.  That should be an EASY one for the Republicans to just lef go.

7.  So yeah, if you don't have anything to contribute to the solution, you have even less to contribute to this thread.  To criticize Biden is like criticizing Queen Elizabeth for colonizing India.  She wasn't there...not her fault.   

5 minutes ago, subee said:

7.  So yeah, if you don't have anything to contribute to the solution, you have even less to contribute to this thread.  To criticize Biden is like criticizing Queen Elizabeth for colonizing India.  She wasn't there...not her fault.   

What Daisy said is that Biden has made it worse.  How he did that in a matter of months is what should be discussed.  I think Daisy understands that Biden doesn't cause border problems.

She might be right.  Biden was perceived to be friendly towards immigrants and thus many of them made the trek to the border.  If he had taken a "build that wall, lock them up" attitude perhaps the border surge wouldn't have happened.  

But who knows, Trump had to deal with one of the worst surges in a long time and he was supposedly tough on illegal immigration and trying to build a wall.

5 minutes ago, Tweety said:

What Daisy said is that Biden has made it worse.  How he did that in a matter of months is what should be discussed.  I think Daisy understands that Biden doesn't cause border problems.

She might be right.  Biden was perceived to be friendly towards immigrants and thus many of them made the trek to the border.  If he had taken a "build that wall, lock them up" attitude perhaps the border surge wouldn't have happened.  

But who knows, Trump had to deal with one of the worst surges in a long time and he was supposedly tough on illegal immigration and trying to build a wall.

That's right...she said he made it worse...because that's what the propaganda tells her. That's what the anti-immigrant hate group tells her, I guess...

But the "scary caravans" coming to the border...remember those fears...I don't recall any republican saying it was Trump's fault they were coming to the border. Do you? Did conservatives believe that was Trump's fault? 

Honestly, conservatives must just like the drama...they didn't even care when the military (that Trump staged at the border just before the midterm) said that there was no security threat from caravans of migrants.  

@subee

I didn't mean that you personally said I was a racist, I meant in general terms as others have done that. 

And, if you recall I did respond to a solution to the border problem earlier by saying that Biden could have left well enough alone at least until he had some kind of plan to handle the influx.

I quoted you and responded to you because I thought an actual conversation would be possible with you. I meant no offense!

15 minutes ago, Tweety said:

What Daisy said is that Biden has made it worse.  How he did that in a matter of months is what should be discussed.  I think Daisy understands that Biden doesn't cause border problems.

She might be right.  Biden was perceived to be friendly towards immigrants and thus many of them made the trek to the border.  If he had taken a "build that wall, lock them up" attitude perhaps the border surge wouldn't have happened.  

But who knows, Trump had to deal with one of the worst surges in a long time and he was supposedly tough on illegal immigration and trying to build a wall.

Trump did have to deal with it too but did have it somewhat under control. I agree that what Biden did in a matter of months should be discussed and also the fact that neither him nor Harris has even bothered to go there and see first hand the problems. 

Either way I really hope that we as a nation will stop with the craziness and solve problems before it is too late. (Not you personally Tweety)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/nation-well-being-factors-victor-Davis-hanson

52 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Of course we have had a problem at the border before Biden, he just made it much worse. I blame politicians (both sides) for the last 50yrs for not doing their job! It is not my job to solve the problem it is theirs. That said this is how to solve it, just like Nursel56 said, both parties coming together and actually doing their job (like at one point in time they did), policy is difficult but that is why we the people are paying them!

It is not helpful, and actually harmful, that we as a society and nation have come to the place that we are not actively listening to each other/the other side. That is how our Country is supposed to work, a two party system with different ideas and thoughts meeting in the middle. 

When one continues to call someone else a racist and/or white supremist because they don't like their opinions that is not helpful. People here have completely dismissed the website I have used (because right leaning) by using left leaning websites and "fact checkers". And again it is sad that everything is bias one way or the other when it should just be facts.

I usually work under the assumption that there is always bias (both ways) and that the facts lie somewhere in the middle.

If we, as a nation, cannot get back to the place where we listen to each other and meet in the middle (without the name calling, rioting, people getting fired, dehumanizing those with different ideas and thoughts etc.) I hate to see how this Country turns out in the end, it won't be pretty.

Do we really want to have a one party system, seriously how can that end up good for anyone and that is exactly where we are headed. Maybe people who lean left are OK with that but IMO it won't end up good for you either!

The solution is European style coalition govt with multiple parties. That way everyone gets represented. Instead of being lumped in with only two parties.

As a businessman I am all for certain republican policies. Why should I have to pay so much capital gains and then have to resort to flexible means to reduce my tax rates? But then republicans have so many wonky behaviors that I cannot ever see myself supporting them. 

Coalition style govt usually forces only the absolute best politicians to rise to the top. You have to be a superior negotiator and include enough of everyone else to form a GOVERNMENT and you cannot 'rule' since you can be replaced through votes of NO confidence. YOU HAVE TO BE GOOD! 

It ensures that everyone if they obtained enough votes, gets to have a say. Don't reinvent the wheel! 

To me the border problem is simple. They come through Mexico. Allow Mexico to do much of the sorting. Fine Mexico through NAFTA arrangements for infringements. Develop and police the countries with the most refugees. The moment they get into the country make them legal with the intent of citizenship. Pay taxes legally.

Foreign policy is about branding sometimes. Make our brand better. Work with the govts of those countries to outsource work. Temporary work visas to weed out the chaff. It's win, win for us. We will be evaluating people within their own countries through work projects with the intention of luring them here. China and India sends their students here for education and then we allow them to go back to their countries. That's absurd! Identify the best and incentivize them into staying. World War 2, we took Germany’s best scientists and slayed everyone else. Einstein... Austrian! Tesla... Czech! 

Don't reinvent the wheel!