President Biden thread

Beerman said:

I would be able to testify truthfully under oath that I've never heard you discuss with your spouse the corrupt nature of Trump.  I guess that means it didn't happen.

The evidence aside, common sense woukd dictate that Joe and Hunter discussed Hunter's business.  Did Joe ever wonder what Hunter was doing in China when they flew there together on Air Force Two.  Maybe he just assumed he was on a hooker and crack vacation?

Joe never asked about the Ukrainian businessmen he had him meet?

I wonder if Joe ever considered how Hunter was making so much money in a job he wasn't qualified for?

 No, Hunter's current trial has little to do with the country's issues.  That's why I've paid little attention to it.

You've mentioned often on a variety of topics that you don't wish to further discuss my beliefs.  But, instead of keeping the discussion narrowed to the issue, you never fail to bring your perception of my beliefs back into it.  I won't get my hopes up that this time will be different.

Beerman said:

I would be able to testify truthfully under oath that I've never heard you discuss with your spouse the corrupt nature of Trump.  I guess that means it didn't happen.

The evidence aside, common sense woukd dictate that Joe and Hunter discussed Hunter's business.  Did Joe ever wonder what Hunter was doing in China when they flew there together on Air Force Two.  Maybe he just assumed he was on a hooker and crack vacation?

Joe never asked about the Ukrainian businessmen he had him meet?

I wonder if Joe ever considered how Hunter was making so much money in a job he wasn't qualified for?

 No, Hunter's current trial has little to do with the country's issues.  That's why I've paid little attention to it.

You've mentioned often on a variety of topics that you don't wish to further discuss my beliefs.  But, instead of keeping the discussion narrowed to the issue, you never fail to bring your perception of my beliefs back into it.  I won't get my hopes up that this time will be different.

Why don't you try to make a case instead of making inuendo?  It may that you are right but, so far, we have no EVIDENCE for what your dreams are.   No one has entered a speck of evidence that any of these things happened and I can't consider anything that was proven to the degree that a court would require.  If a prosecutor can't make a case, they don't do the trial.  That may not be the way you want it, but that's the system that we have.   And I am thankful for that because our people have become so stupid, they'd drown Fauci by going to his house with torches and dragging them out.  That's a Trumpian revenge scenario and the only way we can preserve the legal system that we have from the Constitution is to never, ever accept a president who wants to upend it.

Beerman said:

I would be able to testify truthfully under oath that I've never heard you discuss with your spouse the corrupt nature of Trump.  I guess that means it didn't happen.

The evidence aside, common sense woukd dictate that Joe and Hunter discussed Hunter's business.  Did Joe ever wonder what Hunter was doing in China when they flew there together on Air Force Two.  Maybe he just assumed he was on a hooker and crack vacation?

Joe never asked about the Ukrainian businessmen he had him meet?

I wonder if Joe ever considered how Hunter was making so much money in a job he wasn't qualified for?

 No, Hunter's current trial has little to do with the country's issues.  That's why I've paid little attention to it.

You've mentioned often on a variety of topics that you don't wish to further discuss my beliefs.  But, instead of keeping the discussion narrowed to the issue, you never fail to bring your perception of my beliefs back into it.  I won't get my hopes up that this time will be different.

Sure you could say that under oath but you would be wrong and subject to the penalties of lying under oath.  Most people stick to the facts and the truth as they know it when providing sworn testimony.  Examples of people lying under oath are Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort or Michael Flynn.  They get into trouble when the case is important.  It's fine for you to believe that Joe discussed Hunter's business dealings but it's also fine for others, including myself, to publicly note that the belief isn't supported by the testimony or the evidence. Believing things that aren't factually based is common among Trump supporters.  

You can speculate all you prefer.  Until you can provide any shred of evidence it's just more mud throwing from people who believe things which have no evidence.  

Right.  The only discussions or mentions of Hunter Biden are initiated by Trump supporters in my real life and internet interactions.  All of them.  Liberals aren't concerned about Hunter's trial or the possibility that he could be convicted.  They aren't speculating about pardons.  Liberals aren't the people obsessed with the laptop that inspired congress to investigate the private citizen (which authority is that exactly?  Are they planning some Hunter related legislation?)

Your beliefs aren't the topic and discussing your beliefs is uncomfortable when so many of  the beliefs related to Trump and Biden are not based in reality or patriotism.  We should stick to discussing the facts and evidence which informs our beliefs. 

Beerman said:

In this discussion, I've only said Joe and Hunter have discussed Hunter's business.  That's it. Nothing about crimes.

We know others have said they did, and we have our common sense to rely on.

 

Why would you even mention it if it weren't associated with a provable crime?  Yep.  I remember the "witness" who acceded that Hunter said "hello" to his father in a restaurant which was very different from his original accusation.  When you have to swear  in court on the truthiness of your testimony, the stories change.  Hunter Biden spoke to his father sometimes.  WOW.

Beerman said:

In this discussion, I've only said Joe and Hunter have discussed Hunter's business.  That's it. Nothing about crimes.

We know others have said they did, and we have our common sense to rely on.

 

Yes you've said a thing about Joe Biden discussing business with his son Hunter. What you haven't mentioned is that such contentions are all speculation described as commonsense or similar. 

There is no sworn testimony of any person involved with Hunter Biden or his business dealings which support the right wing suggestions about those conversations.  There is no evidence of Joe Biden corruption or disregard for rules and ethics.  

Lots of Trump supporters won't believe evidence of corruption and sworn testimony of corrupt behavior or felony convictions if that person involved is named DJT, but they will believe and repeat innuendo and speculation and unflattering claims about Biden. It's quite a phenomenon.  I wouldn't call it common sense.  

Tweety said:

 

I disagree.  

Biden doesn't show signs of dementia all day and have moments of clarity.  He has moments when he's not sharp as a whip and those moments are pounced upon and mocked, which is fair.

In the 32 years of a nurse, I've never come across someone with dementia that is sharp as a whip when the doctor is in the room.  So no, we all don't know of that grandma.  My 87 year old mother with mild dementia doesn't do that.  

Well I used exaggerated term "sharp as a whip". . I have sent my residents to the Dr who indeed showed signs and symptoms of dementia only to get the report back that the resident is cognitively sound. I am recalling from a case that happened just like that. The lady came home and the next day was walking around the facility with her underwear over her clothes. 

Or a I'll be called to a family home to do an assessment to find none of the symptoms the family reported. 

Dementia isn't a sound science. There are many types of dementia.   There are good days and bad days. The best is to compare the person to their previous self. No one can honestly deny that Biden is very differnt from his former years. And beyond normal cognitive change. 

Beerman said:

I would be wrong to say I've never heard you discuss Trump with your wife?  Hmm, I certainly don't recall that.

Anyway...

It's interesting how you want smoking gun proof on some issues, but are pretty lax on others.

Evidence, proof,  witnesses aside.  Just tell me what your hunch is.  I'm not talking about criminal activity, but only if Joe and Hunter have had discussions about Hunter's international business dealings?  You really believe they havent?  

Too many double negatives in the hypothetical. 

Nah, I'm pretty committed to basing my thoughts and actions upon the available facts and evidence.  Nursing practice requires that.  I don't always get things right, but I try to stick to facts and evidence. 

No proof or evidence of Joe Biden talking about Hunter's business has been shared here.  Members have only shared their feelings or beliefs about that speculation being true.  

My hunch is that true things most generally are associated with evidence that they are true and untrue things are generally only associated with speculation and claims without evidence.  This basic reality is why no actual evidence can be produced that liberals cheated in 2020 or that Joe Biden broke some laws or rules relative to presidential conduct and should be impeached or prosecuted. 

Joe Biden said he didn't, Hunter Biden said he didn't, Biden's business associates said he didn't. The only people saying that Biden was involved in or discussing business with Hunter cannot offer any thing which supports their contention. You choose to believe them.  I do not.  

There was actual evidence and sworn testimony and a jury conviction for Trump but you don't believe any of that while questioning why I don't believe unsubstantiated hearsay about Biden.  That seems contradictory to me.  

Crusades said:

Well I used exaggerated term "sharp as a whip". . I have sent my residents to the Dr who indeed showed signs and symptoms of dementia only to get the report back that the resident is cognitively sound. I am recalling from a case that happened just like that. The lady came home and the next day was walking around the facility with her underwear over her clothes. 

Or a I'll be called to a family home to do an assessment to find none of the symptoms the family reported. 

Dementia isn't a sound science. There are many types of dementia.   There are good days and bad days. The best is to compare the person to their previous self. No one can honestly deny that Biden is very differnt from his former years. And beyond normal cognitive change. 

OK.

So you thought a patient had dementia and the doctor said the patient didn't.  In my world, that means that you got that assessment wrong.  Maybe you aren't aware that elderly patients can experience confusion for reasons unrelated to dementia, that might explain why you seem confused about these symptoms you've seen or had reported to you.  

How interesting that you exaggerate Biden's normal aging processes while completely ignoring the wild decline in Trump's cognitive function and communication skills since 2016. 

Did you listen to this crazy speech? 

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Crusades said:

Well I used exaggerated term "sharp as a whip". . I have sent my residents to the Dr who indeed showed signs and symptoms of dementia only to get the report back that the resident is cognitively sound. I am recalling from a case that happened just like that. The lady came home and the next day was walking around the facility with her underwear over her clothes. 

Or a I'll be called to a family home to do an assessment to find none of the symptoms the family reported. 

Dementia isn't a sound science. There are many types of dementia.   There are good days and bad days. The best is to compare the person to their previous self. No one can honestly deny that Biden is very differnt from his former years. And beyond normal cognitive change. 

Yes.  Dementia is dynamic and can fluctuate even depending on things like hydration, blood glucose levels, medication, and urinary track infections.  

Biden really only came to my attention during his VP days and then he was 2nd fiddle to Obama and I didn't pay much attention.  But yes, certainly it can be said he's not as sharp as he was in his younger days.  I'm not expert enough to pronounce his cognitive changes beyond that of a normal aging person and I'm not sure any of us armchair judges are.  

There are so many variables involved in cognitive changes, is anything considered "normal cognitive changes".  My 90 year old father reads, makes good decisions and is pretty sharp when I visited him for a week in May.  Could he do the job he had when he was 40?  Absolutely not.  

Tweety said:

Yes.  Dementia is dynamic and can fluctuate even depending on things like hydration, blood glucose levels, medication, and urinary track infections.  

Biden really only came to my attention during his VP days and then he was 2nd fiddle to Obama and I didn't pay much attention.  But yes, certainly it can be said he's not as sharp as he was in his younger days.  I'm not expert enough to pronounce his cognitive changes beyond that of a normal aging person and I'm not sure any of us armchair judges are.  

There are so many variables involved in cognitive changes, is anything considered "normal cognitive changes".  My 90 year old father reads, makes good decisions and is pretty sharp when I visited him for a week in May.  Could he do the job he had when he was 40?  Absolutely not.  

 

Fair enough. Biden's cognitive change, wether normal aging or not, it not appropriate for the POTUS in my opinion.