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Wow.  No one has started such a thread yet?

After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

No thank you. 

I don't inform myself using television, I entertain myself with that technology.  The exception to that is that I watch Sunday News programming... on NBC, CBS, or ABC. 

Your remark seems to be completely unrelated to the topic of the thread.  Maybe you could tie this into the subject of President Joe Biden. 

You're welcome.  The information is not for everyone.  Enjoy the show.

subee said:

Ummmmmm.  No thank you.

You are welcome.  Enjoy the show.

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Crusades said:

We all know of grandma who shows signs if dementia all day but when the family takes her to the  Dr. She's sharp as a whip and breezes through her cognitive exam. 

Only to find she's wearing her bra and underwear over her pants and shirt the next day. 

I think this fits with Biden's moments of clarity.... 

I disagree.  

Biden doesn't show signs of dementia all day and have moments of clarity.  He has moments when he's not sharp as a whip and those moments are pounced upon and mocked, which is fair.

In the 32 years of a nurse, I've never come across someone with dementia that is sharp as a whip when the doctor is in the room.  So no, we all don't know of that grandma.  My 87 year old mother with mild dementia doesn't do that.  

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Crusades said:

"Facts and truth" true or not when used in repetitive religious like chants to sway alternate thoughts, definitely is propaganda.  Especially when large groups of people do the same. 

Stating a fact and presenting it in a way that misleading is text book propaganda.  

You should be specific about what you believe I've misrepresented. My guess is that you won't/can't give me a specific example of a misrepresentation, you just like to say that because you believe that these things cannot possibly be true.  Such is life when dealing with people who are living in an alternate reality about Trump or some other cult leader.  

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I personally don't think Biden will pardon his son.  It will be political suicide for him, especially given he already has said he won't.  Biden will do the right thing and expect his son to face the consequences of his actions and show he believes in the system.   He won't say the system is rigged and that it's a scam.

 Of course time will tell.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-says-will-not-pardon-son-hunter-biden-convicted-gun-related-char-rcna155920

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Tweety said:

I personally don't think Biden will pardon his son.  It will be political suicide for him, especially given he already has said he won't.  Biden will do the right thing and expect his son to face the consequences of his actions and show he believes in the system.   He won't say the system is rigged and that it's a scam.

 Of course time will tell.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-says-will-not-pardon-son-hunter-biden-convicted-gun-related-char-rcna155920

He may not pardon him right away.  Win or lose, this is his last election.  He has nothing to lose after it takes place. He has proven he doesn't care about going back on his word, and certainly when it comes to his son will do what he can easily do within his power to save him.  He will pardon him before he leaves office, I believe.

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Beerman said:

"Should he be convicted" or "if he's convicted"?  Huh?  They're the same.  Am I missing something?

The point was I think anyone would think that Hunter and Joe would probably discuss Hunter's business (and how would others know they didn't).  That wouldn't be unusual, and no one would think anything of it.  What was unusual was when he made it a point to say he didn't.  And we know now that they did.

I want "so badly" to believe Joe would pardon Hunter so I feel better about voting for Trump?  LOL...sure, that's quite a stretch.  

I'll vote for Mr Potatoehead over any Democrat who is in the mix, and I will unashamedly vote for Trump .  I don't need reasons to justify it to myself.  I've shared that sentiment several times.  Perhaps you're projecting.

Presidents pardon all sorts of folks.  Why wouldn't we expect a president to pardon his son?  It's not a criticism.  I'm sure I'm not the only one here who thinks he will if or should Hunter be convicted.  

 

 

Yeah, you missed something.  

Yes. People were asked under oath if they ever heard Joe Biden discuss business with Hunter and they said no, under oath.  That's consistent with Biden's statements.  

No you don't know that Joe Biden discussed business with Hunter.  You can claim that and you can speculate that it would be normal or expected and you can repeat it like your name is James Comer  but that still doesn't make it true.  You might believe it but belief is not the same as evidence.  

No I'm not projecting.  I just understand, from my psych nursing experience that the Trump inspired evolution of values and ethics and beliefs is necessarily accompanied by some cognitive dissonance and the attempts to relieve that discomfort.  It's all observable.  

OK. It sounds like you are at the point where Trump's disqualifying character flaws, corruption and criminality are fully normalized for you.  You will vote for the habitual liar and felon who lied about and mismanaged a pandemic before he lost and lied about an election and tried to overturn vote results by extra-constitutional means.  You will not feel embarrassed or ashamed by that vote for a guy who tried to burn it all down because he lost an election.  You no longer experience that cognitive dissonance associated with separation from those patriotic values.  You simply have convinced yourself that democrats are the political party which represents existential threat to your country in spite of the evidence. 

Yes, presidents pardon all sorts of people.  Trump pardoned members of his campaign team who lied to the FBI and forgot to mention their foreign country obligations.  You definitely believe that Biden will/might pardon Hunter. You can keep talking about that belief if you want.  I'm not really interested in further discussing your beliefs.  You believe the pardon will/might happen and Biden days it won't.  I can wait to see what happens because Hunter Biden isn't a candidate for public office and his conviction will have zero impact upon the country.  

Crusades said:

We all know of grandma who shows signs if dementia all day but when the family takes her to the  Dr. She's sharp as a whip and breezes through her cognitive exam. 

Only to find she's wearing her bra and underwear over her pants and shirt the next day. 

I think this fits with Biden's moments of clarity.... 

Nope. We don't all know of that phenomenon.  That sounds like something that a lay person might believe. 

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Crusades said:

No body here denies Trump's crauss and childish rhetoric. How he rambles about nothing and feeds the demorats first hand material daily. 

However you will not even consider Biden has any cognitive decline. Makes it seem you are overcompensating..... 

That's not quite true.  Biden is old.  Biden demonstrates normal cognitive changes associated with aging.  Trump supporters can't differentiate that from changes associated with the dementia and they conflate the two as a criticism of Biden.  

 

Beerman said:

Yes, it makes the news when either one does,  and the talking heads guve kudos and cruticism depending on what side they're on. 

I was speaking more about the folks here who need to let us know how good a job Joe did speaking somewhere.

They are a counter to the folks here who keep suggesting that Biden has dementia on the regular.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah, you missed something.  

Yes. People were asked under oath if they ever heard Joe Biden discuss business with Hunter and they said no, under oath.  That's consistent with Biden's statements.  

No you don't know that Joe Biden discussed business with Hunter.  You can claim that and you can speculate that it would be normal or expected and you can repeat it like your name is James Comer  but that still doesn't make it true.  You might believe it but belief is not the same as evidence.  

No I'm not projecting.  I just understand, from my psych nursing experience that the Trump inspired evolution of values and ethics and beliefs is necessarily accompanied by some cognitive dissonance and the attempts to relieve that discomfort.  It's all observable.  

OK. It sounds like you are at the point where Trump's disqualifying character flaws, corruption and criminality are fully normalized for you.  You will vote for the habitual liar and felon who lied about and mismanaged a pandemic before he lost and lied about an election and tried to overturn vote results by extra-constitutional means.  You will not feel embarrassed or ashamed by that vote for a guy who tried to burn it all down because he lost an election.  You no longer experience that cognitive dissonance associated with separation from those patriotic values.  You simply have convinced yourself that democrats are the political party which represents existential threat to your country in spite of the evidence. 

Yes, presidents pardon all sorts of people.  Trump pardoned members of his campaign team who lied to the FBI and forgot to mention their foreign country obligations.  You definitely believe that Biden will/might pardon Hunter. You can keep talking about that belief if you want.  I'm not really interested in further discussing your beliefs.  You believe the pardon will/might happen and Biden days it won't.  I can wait to see what happens because Hunter Biden isn't a candidate for public office and his conviction will have zero impact upon the country.  

Nope. We don't all know of that phenomenon.  That sounds like something that a lay person might believe. 

I would be able to testify truthfully under oath that I've never heard you discuss with your spouse the corrupt nature of Trump.  I guess that means it didn't happen.

The evidence aside, common sense woukd dictate that Joe and Hunter discussed Hunter's business.  Did Joe ever wonder what Hunter was doing in China when they flew there together on Air Force Two.  Maybe he just assumed he was on a hooker and crack vacation?

Joe never asked about the Ukrainian businessmen he had him meet?

I wonder if Joe ever considered how Hunter was making so much money in a job he wasn't qualified for?

 No, Hunter's current trial has little to do with the country's issues.  That's why I've paid little attention to it.

You've mentioned often on a variety of topics that you don't wish to further discuss my beliefs.  But, instead of keeping the discussion narrowed to the issue, you never fail to bring your perception of my beliefs back into it.  I won't get my hopes up that this time will be different.

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toomuchbaloney said:

They are a counter to the folks here who keep suggesting that Biden has dementia on the regular.  

But also sometimes his speeches are posted to show what he's saying and his agenda.  Karen does this often.

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Beerman said:

He may not pardon him right away.  Win or lose, this is his last election.  He has nothing to lose after it takes place. He has proven he doesn't care about going back on his word, and certainly when it comes to his son will do what he can easily do within his power to save him.  He will pardon him before he leaves office, I believe.

I do understand that what is said during a campaign is often BS so time will tell.  It will be tempting to pardon him if he gets jail time.  What I find refreshing is he's not setting us up with a "it's all a rigged witch hunt with a corrupt judge".   He's letting things unfold through the legal system.

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Tweety said:

But also sometimes his speeches are posted to show what he's saying and his agenda.  Karen does this often.

Yes she does.  I also post speeches from the candidates.  

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Tweety said:

I do understand that what is said during a campaign is often BS so time will tell.  It will be tempting to pardon him if he gets jail time.  What I find refreshing is he's not setting us up with a "it's all a rigged witch hunt with a corrupt judge".   He's letting things unfold through the legal system.

I haven't paid too much attention to Hunter's trial, but perhaps there isn't evidence that points to it being corrupt as there is in comparison to Trump's recent trial. 

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