President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

OK.

So you thought a patient had dementia and the doctor said the patient didn't.  In my world, that means that you got that assessment wrong.  Maybe you aren't aware that elderly patients can experience confusion for reasons unrelated to dementia, that might explain why you seem confused about these symptoms you've seen or had reported to you.  

How interesting that you exaggerate Biden's normal aging processes while completely ignoring the wild decline in Trump's cognitive function and communication skills since 2016. 

Did you listen to this crazy speech? 

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No. The resident did have dementia but was able to for whatever reason not exhibit it enough for the Dr to make any recommendations.  This patient continued to decline to a point that they did have obvious dementia. 

Of course delirium,UTI and any physiological condition was ruled out. 

There's a reason why seniors lose their ability to drive and have their license revoked  

Regardless, I wouldn't trust this person to be the POTUS.  

Trump's crass ineloquent behavior is not due to cognitive decline and his behavior has not changed much throughout the years. Rambling thoughts and the absence of public speaking skills. 

Beerman said:

I mentioned it in the context of another discussion.   I didn't accuse of any wrongdoing, 

just that they have discussed Hunter's business.  I did say it was a funny thing to lie about as most would expect them to discuss business to some degree and most wouldn't have a problem with it.  Sort of if my wife was accused of stealing a cookie at work, and they asked me if she mentioned to me and I said that my wife and I don't ever discuss anything that we do at work.

Not sure why, but that assertion is offensive to some as it hasn't been proven in a court of law.  So, until a fly who was on the wall when any discussion happened testifies under oath, I'll retract that comment so we can all move on with our lives.

You may not accuse of wrongdoing while suggesting that Biden is lying about his discussions of his son's business, but lots of influential conservatives and Trump supporters with platform amplifiers do insinuate wrongdoing. 

Hunter is not Joe's wife. Lots of people don't discuss the intricacies of a child's business with the child, especially if one of the two have professional rules which might limit some communication for assorted reasons.  

The assertion isn't offensive.  It doesn't hurt me or make me feel angry.  A Trump supporter claiming something negative about Biden that isn't really true is commonplace. A Trump supporter projecting a Trumpian disregard for rules which limit behavior or conduct onto Biden or a liberal is normal in 2024. Trump would lie about those conversations so its natural that his supporters assume that everyone would lie about it.  You would lie about it, right? 

What's the big deal, am I right? 

Crusades said:

Trump's crass ineloquent behavior is not due to cognitive decline and his behavior has not changed much throughout the years. Rambling thoughts and the absence of public speaking skills. 

I pretty much agree with this that Trump has been himself throughout and remains so.  That to me is the problem.  Because I think while perhaps he doesn't have dementia he has a personality disorder is not presidential material.    Not to mention the fact that he surrounds himself with criminals and for the moment is a convicted felon, he lies and believes he won the election.  Just to name a few.

And here we are, do we want an elderly man that is progressive or do we want a "crass and ineloquent" man that is a conservative.

Tweety said:

I pretty much agree with this that Trump has been himself throughout and remains so.  That to me is the problem.  Because I think while perhaps he doesn't have dementia he has a personality disorder is not presidential material.    Not to mention the fact that he surrounds himself with criminals and for the moment is a convicted felon, he lies and believes he won the election.  Just to name a few.

And here we are, do we want an elderly man that is progressive or do we want a "crass and ineloquent" man that is a conservative.

 

Yep.

Two elderly men... one tried to overthrow the government and muses about retribution while the other man has a stutter.  

Beerman said:

Biden overcame a stutter just like he was going to play football at the Naval Acadeny and he graduated at the top of his law school class.

We know what a stickler you to not allow an opinion without proper evidence to back it up.

There is mountains of evidence that the Biden family made millions of Joe's name and influence,  supposedly without his knowledge.  

Evidence he ever had a stuttering problem?  Not so much.

Even if you believe, he says it's not to blame for his gaffes now.

https://www.axios.com/2019/12/08/joe-biden-stuttering-verbal-stumbles

LOL

Too bad that there's not evidence that Biden or his family broke laws to make millions off his name.  That would go quite a distance in justifying all of the money spent by congress investigating Hunter's business interactions.  Without that evidence we'll just have to accept that personal financial enrichment and gain just like we did with Ivanka and Jarod.  At this point though, haven't House Republicans spent more tax dollars investigating a private citizen that they claim that he made from his name? 

The conquered stutter isn't to blame for the verbal gaffes because Biden says he doesnt think that's what it is?  That's a great argument.  OK.  Biden doesn't think that his stutter doesn't contribute to those gaffes, I'll accept that.  We all have gaffes. Fortunately, Biden isn't prone to gaffes where he tells his voters that he doesn't really care about them; he only cares about their votes. He doesn't have gaffes where he suggests that we should do away with parts of the constitution or gaffes involving weird rambling rants about batteries and water.  

Just comparing on verbal gaffes Biden is the better choice.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Too many double negatives in the hypothetical. 

Nah, I'm pretty committed to basing my thoughts and actions upon the available facts and evidence.  Nursing practice requires that.  I don't always get things right, but I try to stick to facts and evidence. 

No proof or evidence of Joe Biden talking about Hunter's business has been shared here.  Members have only shared their feelings or beliefs about that speculation being true.  

My hunch is that true things most generally are associated with evidence that they are true and untrue things are generally only associated with speculation and claims without evidence.  This basic reality is why no actual evidence can be produced that liberals cheated in 2020 or that Joe Biden broke some laws or rules relative to presidential conduct and should be impeached or prosecuted. 

Joe Biden said he didn't, Hunter Biden said he didn't, Biden's business associates said he didn't. The only people saying that Biden was involved in or discussing business with Hunter cannot offer any thing which supports their contention. You choose to believe them.  I do not.  

There was actual evidence and sworn testimony and a jury conviction for Trump but you don't believe any of that while questioning why I don't believe unsubstantiated hearsay about Biden.  That seems contradictory to me.  

If a person can't prove what he is saying, that person should stay silent until they can back up their argument.  If we can't respect the law and demand clear evidence, why bother.  Go and take a nap.

Tweety said:

I pretty much agree with this that Trump has been himself throughout and remains so.  That to me is the problem.  Because I think while perhaps he doesn't have dementia he has a personality disorder is not presidential material.    Not to mention the fact that he surrounds himself with criminals and for the moment is a convicted felon, he lies and believes he won the election.  Just to name a few.

And here we are, do we want an elderly man that is progressive or do we want a "crass and ineloquent" man that is a conservative.

 

I'd rather neither old man. However there's 2 choices. I cannot fathom putting a senior in cognitive decline in the position of the POTUS.  It's cruel to Biden and irresponsible for the country. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c044xmnm574o

What do we have to say about this jury and judge?