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Wow.  No one has started such a thread yet?

After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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subee said:

Did you hear Trump's rally in the Bronx today?  His dementia is galloping along quickly.  Hardly anyone showed up but he willnrag tomorrow about how he has the Hispanics in his bag.

What's that have to do with cognition? 

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Crusades said:

Sure. That's a good point. 👍 However it's a cheap tactic to attribute certain values on people for who they vote for. Or who voted for the same candidate. Millions of people who vote for trum0 are not nazi rapists. However as evident in these threads, some may suggest that they are. 

 I will vote Trump because unfortunately with his flaws, we need a strong leader with the termoil of the world and Biden is not strong. Other countries laugh at him.  There is only 2 choices. And I believed all the propaganda about Trump 2016. However he didn't do exactly what the fear mongers said he would. 

I genuinely am concerned with Bidens  cognition.  This is the primary issue for me. 

You imagine that Biden's cognition is so bad that you must vote for the guy who would break our democracy.   Your definition of a strong leader includes mismanagement of a pandemic, lying about that and refusing to take responsibility? 

Millions of people who vote for Trump are happy to vote for Trump for the same reasons that neonazis and white supremacists vote for him.  They are all attracted to the fraudster.  Some are so attracted to the twice divorced philandering liar that they defend him in online forums.  They are all comfortable ignoring the disqualifying character traits.  

It's weird that Biden's cognition is your most important issue but you ignore the evidence that Biden's cognition is not really a concern.  That's an interesting contradiction.  

 

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What's that have to do with cognition? 

You would have to actually listen to Trump to understand.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Millions of people who vote for Trump are happy to vote for Trump for the same reasons that neonazis and white supremacists vote for him.  They are all attracted to the fraudster.  Some are so attracted to the twice divorced philandering liar that they defend him in online forums.  They are all comfortable ignoring the disqualifying character traits.  

In the words of another poster..."some, not all......".  It's not fair to call every republican that is going to vote for him a Neo Nazi for example.  But I agree, while they are a fringe and minority, there are millions of them.  

I always come to the same place and scratch my head and "how did such a person get to be the nominee?".  

The question was asked could these MAGA people decide the next President.  Perhaps not, but if he wins it can be traced back to them for having enough votes to make him the nominee, since the lead in the primary gets all of the delegates,  out of many other better more moral candidates and now the rest of them are going to vote for him because they feel Biden and his dementia and policies are worse despite as the person says above "his flaws".

 

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Tweety said:

In the words of another poster..."some, not all......".  It's not fair to call every republican that is going to vote for him a Neo Nazi for example.  But I agree, while they are a fringe and minority, there are millions of them.  

I always come to the same place and scratch my head and "how did such a person get to be the nominee?".  

The question was asked could these MAGA people decide the next President.  Perhaps not, but if he wins it can be traced back to them for having enough votes to make him the nominee, since the lead in the primary gets all of the delegates,  out of many other better more moral candidates and now the rest of them are going to vote for him because they feel Biden and his dementia and policies are worse despite as the person says above "his flaws".

 

How did we get to the point that republicans would be so devoted to someone like Trump? 

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Tweety said:

In the words of another poster..."some, not all......".  It's not fair to call every republican that is going to vote for him a Neo Nazi for example.  But I agree, while they are a fringe and minority, there are millions of them.  

I always come to the same place and scratch my head and "how did such a person get to be the nominee?".  

The question was asked could these MAGA people decide the next President.  Perhaps not, but if he wins it can be traced back to them for having enough votes to make him the nominee, since the lead in the primary gets all of the delegates,  out of many other better more moral candidates and now the rest of them are going to vote for him because they feel Biden and his dementia and policies are worse despite as the person says above "his flaws".

 

Of course, I didn't say all Republicans or conservatives are racists or neonazis.  I am saying that they are cool with joining them and voting for their candidate. They defend that and some even try to defend racist  things fine or uttered by the candidate.  They are comfortable with that association.  

I think that unscrupulous Republicans in state government could change the outcome of the 2024 election.  The millions of voters are the smoke screen for the crime just like they are the smoke screen right now for the efforts to make election cheating legal.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

It's uncommon for the members in these threads to criticize a source without discussing the content, IMHO. It used to happen all of the time.  

People vote their values and ethics and morals when they vote for Trump.  One can't escape the corruption and dishonesty and character flaws of Trump.  What one does with the knowledge of those flaws reflects that individual's values.  

The real issues include the reality that Trump and his sychophants have intentions which are a threat to our republic.  There's no good reason to ignore that threat or not consider it the most important issue.  

Pointing fingers rather than taking responsibility is a pattern that flows from the top of the republican party.  

It's "uncommon"?  LOL.  Since when?  Yesterday?

The rest of your comment we've gone round and round on.  I honestly don't know what anyone gets from that as we've gone back and forth for 8 or 9 years now.  

Carry on...

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toomuchbaloney said:

Of course, I didn't say all Republicans or conservatives are racists or neonazis.  I am saying that they are cool with joining them and voting for their candidate. They defend that and some even try to defend racist  things fine or uttered by the candidate.  They are comfortable with that association.  

I think that unscrupulous Republicans in state government could change the outcome of the 2024 election.  The millions of voters are the smoke screen for the crime just like they are the smoke screen right now for the efforts to make election cheating legal.  

"There're cool with it"? You know? Have you asked any of them or all of them? 

How woukd "they" go ahead and stop it? 

Perhaps when one questions the intelligence of millions of people, perhaps "they" are smart enough to comprehend that just because some unfavorable group votes for a candidate (allegedly) does mean they are complict with that group. 

I mean I'm sure rapist murders vote for Biden bur I'm not going to assign that to Biden(except for sniffing)  How ridiculous.  

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Beerman said:

It's "uncommon"?  LOL.  Since when?  Yesterday?

The rest of your comment we've gone round and round on.  I honestly don't know what anyone gets from that as we've gone back and forth for 8 or 9 years now.  

Carry on...

I'm prepared to stand corrected but my appraisal is that most people who criticize the source also discuss the content.  There certainly are outliers but they aren't the norm.  

Do you think that we have agreement on what you quoted or that those things are low priority? Biden's political opponent represents a threat to our constitution and rule of law, I think that deserves discussion.  

We spend quite a bit of time entertaining and discussing the narrative that Biden is in the grips of advanced cognitive decline.  I think it's fair to discuss both that his decline doesn't seem that obvious and his opponent is a dangerous sociopath.  

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I'm prepared to stand corrected but my appraisal is that most people who criticize the source also discuss the content.  There certainly are outliers but they aren't the norm.  

Do you think that we have agreement on what you quoted or that those things are low priority? Biden's political opponent represents a threat to our constitution and rule of law, I think that deserves discussion.  

We spend quite a bit of time entertaining and discussing the narrative that Biden is in the grips of advanced cognitive decline.  I think it's fair to discuss both that his decline doesn't seem that obvious and his opponent is a dangerous sociopath.  

 

A demented sociopath.  His cognitive decline is starting to accelerate.  Kinda like Caligula's mental decline.  

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Crusades said:

"There're cool with it"? You know? Have you asked any of them or all of them? 

How woukd "they" go ahead and stop it? 

Perhaps when one questions the intelligence of millions of people, perhaps "they" are smart enough to comprehend that just because some unfavorable group votes for a candidate (allegedly) does mean they are complict with that group. 

I mean I'm sure rapist murders vote for Biden bur I'm not going to assign that to Biden(except for sniffing)  How ridiculous.  

The people know that Trump is liable for sexual abuse.  They know that he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals and kissing them without consent.  They've heard him calling women derogatory names.  They've listened to Trump muse about having sex with his daughter and they've heard an adult film actress say that he thought she looked like his daughter when he pressured her to have sex with him.  They know that Trump was unfaithful to all of his 3 wives. 

The people choosing Trump know that he uses racist dog whistles, some of them are drawn to that language and agree with him.  

Trump and the right wing are now using Nazi language and that's not even a deal breaker for Trump's cult of voters.  Mom's for Liberty used a Hitler quote and then laughed about not retracting because they believe it.  

Nah. Trump voters don't care about the Trump corruption or sexually predatory behavior or the mismanaged pandemic or the attempt to overthrow an election.  Trump's their guy, he represents their values and says the things they think.  

You still haven't figured out how that logical  progression works.  

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I'm prepared to stand corrected but my appraisal is that most people who criticize the source also discuss the content.  There certainly are outliers but they aren't the norm.  

Do you think that we have agreement on what you quoted or that those things are low priority? Biden's political opponent represents a threat to our constitution and rule of law, I think that deserves discussion.  

We spend quite a bit of time entertaining and discussing the narrative that Biden is in the grips of advanced cognitive decline.  I think it's fair to discuss both that his decline doesn't seem that obvious and his opponent is a dangerous sociopath.  

 

You're being disingenuous as you know I'm not speaking about the discussion of the candidates. 

It's the continued insults toward and the assignment of Trump's real and perceived character flaws to a Trump voter.

The latest example I was replying to: "People vote their ethics, morals, values" if they vote for Trump.

Most of us, I suspect even yourself, realize it's not that cut and dry.  I've addressed that several times over the years Trump has been in the picture.   As have others who briefly came and went and now a new member.

But, the same rhetoric continues mostly to the same audience of a half a dozen or so that are consistently here.  It's a bore to me and I imagine others too. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.  I'm not sure if it's meant to deflect, inflame, bully,  ir what exactly.  Why the continued need for it?

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Beerman said:

You're being disingenuous as you know I'm not speaking about the discussion of the candidates. 

It's the continued insults toward and the assignment of Trump's real and perceived character flaws to a Trump voter.

The latest example I was replying to: "People vote their ethics, morals, values" if they vote for Trump.

Most of us, I suspect even yourself, realize it's not that cut and dry.  I've addressed that several times over the years Trump has been in the picture.   As have others who briefly came and went and now a new member.

But, the same rhetoric continues mostly to the same audience of a half a dozen or so that are consistently here.  It's a bore to me and I imagine others too. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.  I'm not sure if it's meant to deflect, inflame, bully,  ir what exactly.  Why the continued need for it?

Shush 🤫.  That's the whole plan. They hope my insinuating that because some unsavory groups, may or may not support Trump then he is guilty of the sins of these groups. 

So, if someone votes for Trump, then they are guilty of Trump's sins and anyone who votes for him sins. 

It's really all they have left. A desperate attempt. Didn't work in 2016, kinda worked in 2020 and considering Trump's ratings, does seem to be working in 2024. 

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