President Biden thread

Tweety said:

Perhaps because the poster joined March 28th and maybe didn't read the hundreds of posts here before joining the conversation.  

Back to  Biden, the Alaskan Senator is having an issue.  I think he's being a little bit of a drama queen although I understand that mineral mining and being independent is important to the US and quite important to Alaska. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/21/alaska-sullivan-biden-drilling-00153531

Sullivan doesn't really represent Alaskans, he represents wealthy capitalist interests in Alaska and the military.  

Tweety said:

The question was what does Trump have to do about a conversation about Biden making a statement about his Uncle.

Yes, it might be odd that some of the same people that criticize Biden for such thing allow worse things from Trump.  But likewise the same people that criticize Trump, gloss over anything that criticizes Biden with a "but Trump is worse........" and so we go.  

 I missed the post where someone said you weren't allowed to compare the candidates or weren't allowed to talk directly about something.  

This is a long standing point of contention that I was just pointing out to a poster that might not know what happens when Biden is criticized or mocked. 

Carry on.  

 

You didn't miss the post.  You just don't consider those posts as communicating that it's inappropriate to compare Biden to Trump when Biden is criticized as wither president or candidate.  This is an election year.  All of the right wing BS about the Democrat candidate will be countered with comparison to the dishonesty, dishonor, and divisiness of the GOP candidate. Biden might be telling harmless tales about cannibals in the South Pacific during WW2 but the republican candidate is telling dangerous lies about election integrity when he's not paying millions of dollars in defamation penalties. Biden voters don't gloss over anything as compared to Trump voters.  Biden voters have to respond to ridiculous criticisms about frivolity while Trump voters normalize unacceptable and un-American attitudes and actions from Trump and his sycophants.

That member who was "surprised" was reading these threads for days before commenting.  I don't buy their assertion that they were unaware of the contention. They certainly seemed to comprehend the tone of these discussions aeb the tone of their own introductory comments.  Of course,  members are welcome to believe what they prefer in these threads.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Sullivan doesn't really represent Alaskans, he represents wealthy capitalist interests in Alaska and the military.  

You didn't miss the post.  You just don't consider those posts as communicating that it's inappropriate to compare Biden to Trump when Biden is criticized as wither president or candidate.  This is an election year.  All of the right wing BS about the Democrat candidate will be countered with comparison to the dishonesty, dishonor, and divisiness of the GOP candidate. Biden might be telling harmless tales about cannibals in the South Pacific during WW2 but the republican candidate is telling dangerous lies about election integrity when he's not paying millions of dollars in defamation penalties. Biden voters don't gloss over anything as compared to Trump voters.  Biden voters have to respond to ridiculous criticisms about frivolity while Trump voters normalize unacceptable and un-American attitudes and actions from Trump and his sycophants.

That member who was "surprised" was reading these threads for days before commenting.  I don't buy their assertion that they were unaware of the contention. They certainly seemed to comprehend the tone of these discussions aeb the tone of their own introductory comments.  Of course,  members are welcome to believe what they prefer in these threads.  

 

 

That member wasn't "surprised" they asked the simple question "what does Trump have to do with it?" when we were talking about Biden.  I merely informed the poster, in case they didn't know, is that is how it's done here, instead of addressing the criticism of Biden, the default is Trump.

Also in response to these posts quoted below, I did indeed miss the post where it is said, or even implied, that anything is off limits, or we aren't allowed to compare the candidates, so perhaps you can show that to me.

"Somehow, it's off limits to remind people who want to make silly criticisms of  Biden...."

"It's a presidential election year, but we aren't allowed to compare the candidates."

Criticizing you for changing the subject is not telling you it's off limits or you can't change the subject to comparing of the candidates.  I very well understand that.  Still, you did later address the cannibalism aspect on top of your Trump/supporter rant, so good on you for that at least.

Tweety said:

Biden was having an "emotional moment" thinking of Trump calling veterans "suckers and losers" according to the press secretary.  More like a "senior moment".  LOL 

 

 

Our senior moments only reflect enough time on earth to collect a great deal of data 

Tweety said:

Biden was having an "emotional moment" thinking of Trump calling vete rans "suckers and losers" according to the press secretary.  More like a "senior moment".  LOL 

 

 

I think of senior moments as the result of having being around for awhile and paying attention.  We collect enormous amounts of data every day but don't have the ability to bring it to the tip of as quickly as we did when we had less data stuffed in our personal CPU.  That type of glitch has nothing to do with our ability to formulate thoughtful opinions.  I would say that  Biden shares this same verbal glitch. But what Trump is exhibiting now is entirely different.  He's not even searching for the word..he just lets sound escape from his throat.  I wish this was a better slate of candidates but we have to judge the reality, not what we wish it were.  

Tweety said:

That member wasn't "surprised" they asked the simple question "what does Trump have to do with it?" when we were talking about Biden.  I merely informed the poster, in case they didn't know, is that is how it's done here, instead of addressing the criticism of Biden, the default is Trump.

Also in response to these posts quoted below, I did indeed miss the post where it is said, or even implied, that anything is off limits, or we aren't allowed to compare the candidates, so perhaps you can show that to me.

"Somehow, it's off limits to remind people who want to make silly criticisms of  Biden...."

"It's a presidential election year, but we aren't allowed to compare the candidates."

Criticizing you for changing the subject is not telling you it's off limits or you can't change the subject to comparing of the candidates.  I very well understand that.  Still, you did later address the cannibalism aspect on top of your Trump/supporter rant, so good on you for that at least.

Explaining why Biden's story about cannibals doesn't bother me by comparing it to the things his political opponent has said that should bother everyone is not really changing the subject IMO, but your point is taken. 

I won't stop highlighting the hypocritical tactics of those who support fascists and authoritarians in online forums. It is sometimes a rant.  My apologies.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Explaining why Biden's story about cannibals doesn't bother me by comparing it to the things his political opponent has said that should bother everyone is not really changing the subject IMO, but your point is taken. 

I won't stop highlighting the hypocritical tactics of those who support fascists and authoritarians in online forums. It is sometimes a rant.  My apologies.  

 

 

Of course and I've always understood that, and I'll never stop maintaining that we should be allowed to complain about Biden with leaving Trump out of it,
Carry on.

Tweety said:

Of course and I've always understood that, and I'll never stop maintaining that we should be allowed to complain about Biden with leaving Trump out of it,
Carry on.

You may complain about Biden without mentioning Trump.  I'm also allowed to make a comparison in response, right? 

toomuchbaloney said:

You may complain about Biden without mentioning Trump.  I'm also allowed to make a comparison in response, right? 

I wish you wouldn't change the subject, of course you are allowed to and I have acknowledged that you will never change over and over and over and over again. I never said otherwise, which was lame of you and another poster "oh we're not allowed to.........". 

What is also lame is often the complaint about Biden isn't even addressed in the post.  It goes straight into a rant about Trump..  "I find it hypocritical to complain about Biden when Trump......" not even addressing the original post about Biden in the Biden thread.  But never once have you read "you're not allowed to post that.........."

I'm working overtime and having to concentrate on maintaining peace in my life while working a stressful med-surg job that sometimes takes 14 hours out of my day,  and will no longer post here for a while.  

Tweety said:

I wish you wouldn't change the subject, of course you are allowed to and I have acknowledged that you will never change over and over and over and over again. I never said otherwise, which was lame of you and another poster "oh we're not allowed to.........". 

What is also lame is often the complaint about Biden isn't even addressed in the post.  It goes straight into a rant about Trump..  "I find it hypocritical to complain about Biden when Trump......" not even addressing the original post about Biden in the Biden thread.  But never once have you read "you're not allowed to post that.........."

I'm working overtime and having to concentrate on maintaining peace in my life while working a stressful med-surg job that sometimes takes 14 hours out of my day,  and will no longer post here for a while.  

 

I'll miss your posts while you're working. 

Once again, comparing one man to the other is not changing the subject. You are allowed to criticize Biden without mentioning Trump and I am allowed to compare to Trump when Biden is criticized by a Trump supporter. I always mention the original complaint about Biden as I compare and contrast to his political opponent. I'm sorry that you are so deeply bothered by the contrast and comparison of the two men in an important election cycle.  

I've been hearing an interesting point of view on some of the podcasts I listen to. In terms of student loan forgiveness, it's not the loan that's being forgiven, because in most, if not all  instances the loan holder has already paid back the amount of the principal. Some owe more than their original loan due to interest accumulation. Therefore, Biden is allowing student loan interest forgiveness. 

I've also heard that this will not affect the deficit. I guess I'm not really sure how that works, unless the people who calculate the deficit are counting on loan interest as a revenue stream. 

toomuchbaloney said:

We're not supposed to talk directly about how that xenophobic and racist language is normalized just like we aren't supposed to mention the decidedly un-American sentiments about insurrection or ignoring the inconvenient parts of the constitution. Somehow, it's off limits to remind people who want to make silly criticisms of  Biden that their apparent preference for president was unprecedented in his disqualifying character flaws and incompetence in governing.  

We're supposed to be concerned that an old Democrat tells a colorful story about cannibals when the Republican alternative tells lies about our elections. 

Well, I guess it might be noteworthy that Trump actually knows he's telling a lie, 

Biden thinks his fabrications are true.. .

Crusades said:

Well, I guess it might be noteworthy that Trump actually knows he's telling a lie, 

Biden thinks his fabrications are true.. .

That's interesting.  It's complete nonsense, but it's interesting.