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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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Beerman said:

Why?  So the goal posts can be moved again?   It wasnt that long ago you were satisfied with Joe's explanation that he didn't know anything about Hunter's business dealings.  

No, so we can hear the truth rather than speculation and conspiracy.   I totally understand that it's newsworthy and suspicious.  For me there's nothing more to discuss until there's more to discuss.  I second TMB, just let us know when something else happens with this story.  We already read the story you posted.  Did we not respond with the outrage and suspicion you want us to?  

Maybe we'll know more December 8th?

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"NARA has completed a search for potentially responsive documents and is currently processing those documents for the purpose of producing non-exempt portions of any responsive records on a monthly rolling basis," the filing said............

NARA and the Southeastern Legal Foundation are in negotiations, according to the court filing, and they asked the court to set a December 8 deadline for them to submit a joint status report.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-pseudonym-emails-what-we-know-82000-pages-unearthed-1839381

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Beerman said:

There is more recent news this week of which they have not reported as far as I can tell..  I posted a link to it earlier.  It's 82000 pages under pseudonyms.  Which averages 110 pages a day over his 8 years as VP.

So they should have updated their story that we now have a number?  Fair enough.  It's a shocking amount of emails.  Not that it matters but it includes both sent and received.  One wonders how someone could conduct business composing and reading 110 emails a day on private accounts in addition to normal business accounts.

There are some stats I'm reading that some office workers receives and sends up to 120 a day.   

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2019/apr/08/how-many-work-emails-is-too-many

Again, I'll wait to see what they reveal and discuss it then.  

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About those goal posts:

This one is about the media.  The following is about Republicans.

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The pattern has three steps: First, they call the story they don't like fake news or disinformation. Next, they admit it's happening, but they argue it's no big deal. Finally, they pivot to their favorite whataboutism: But what about Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/guide-how-liberal-media-moved-goalposts-hunter-bidens-scandals-opinion-1820654

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House Republicans have once again changed their target in an ongoing probe into the family finances of President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, claiming they no longer need to cough up evidence that the president financially benefited from his son's business ventures to prove his corruption.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gopers-shamelessly-moving-the-goal-posts-in-hunter-biden-probe

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Beerman said:

Why?  So the goal posts can be moved again?   It wasnt that long ago you were satisfied with Joe's explanation that he didn't know anything about Hunter's business dealings.  

I haven't moved any goal posts.  You still don't have any evidence that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter Biden's business dealings.  Now you have some different emails from NARA that were not hidden and were turned over when requested. Let us know when you have some evidence that Joe Biden broke a law or was involved in some illegitimate or fraudulent business dealings.  Then we could claim there was no victim or something as we moved the goalposts... if there was actual evidence, right?

New "concerns" voiced by House Republicans in this matter have to date been underwhelming. I'm sure you remember the missing witness who later turned out to be a Chinese agent or the business partner witness who testified that he never heard Joe Biden speak about Hunter's business or the whistleblowers who cannot speak to the possession pedigree for the laptop hard drive that they are convinced is evidence of Joe Biden's corruption while presenting no evidence that actually demonstrates that corruption. 

There needs to be actual evidence of wrong doing. Maybe Comer and Jordan should bring Giuliani in and ask him where and how he got that laptop. Maybe that would put some light into dark corners for Republicans looking for dirt to show to the country. 

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Tweety said:

About those goal posts:

This one is about the media.  The following is about Republicans.

https://www.newsweek.com/guide-how-liberal-media-moved-goalposts-hunter-bidens-scandals-opinion-1820654

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gopers-shamelessly-moving-the-goal-posts-in-hunter-biden-probe

Not just the media, or Republicans.   Joe has too changed his tune.  It used to be he had never spoken to Hunter  his business dealings. 

Now, it's he has never been in business deals with his son.

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toomuchbaloney said:

I haven't moved any goal posts.  You still don't have any evidence that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter Biden's business dealings.  Now you have some different emails from NARA that were not hidden and were turned over when requested. Let us know when you have some evidence that Joe Biden broke a law or was involved in some illegitimate or fraudulent business dealings.  Then we could claim there was no victim or something as we moved the goalposts... if there was actual evidence, right?

New "concerns" voiced by House Republicans in this matter have to date been underwhelming. I'm sure you remember the missing witness who later turned out to be a Chinese agent or the business partner witness who testified that he never heard Joe Biden speak about Hunter's business or the whistleblowers who cannot speak to the possession pedigree for the laptop hard drive that they are convinced is evidence of Joe Biden's corruption while presenting no evidence that actually demonstrates that corruption. 

There needs to be actual evidence of wrong doing. Maybe Comer and Jordan should bring Giuliani in and ask him where and how he got that laptop. Maybe that would put some light into dark corners for Republicans looking for dirt to show to the country. 

Plenty of evidence.  Is there proof?  Maybe, maybe not.  Depends how much credibility one gives the various pieces of evidence.  And, in many cases how bias plays a part in looking at that evidence.

When one says there is no evidence of wrong doing, it's easy to be reminded of the OJ jury.  Despite all the evidence they had that pointed to OJ being the killer, that jury wanted a murder weapon with prints, or video, or eyewitness before they were going to find him guilty.

One poll shows that most believe Joe has acted unethical in the matter.  A smaller number think he has broken the law.  A even smaller number think he has done nothing wrong.  Where do you stand?

 

 

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Beerman said:

Plenty of evidence.  Is there proof?  Maybe, maybe not.  Depends how much credibility one gives the various pieces of evidence.  And, in many cases how bias plays a part in looking at that evidence.

When one says there is no evidence of wrong doing, it's easy to be reminded of the OJ jury.  Despite all the evidence they had that pointed to OJ being the killer, that jury wanted a murder weapon with prints, or video, or eyewitness before they were going to find him guilty.

One poll shows that most believe Joe has acted unethical in the matter.  A smaller number think he has broken the law.  A even smaller number think he has done nothing wrong.  Where do you stand?

 

 

Actually, back in September the House GOP witnesses stated under oath that ther was no evidence to support impeaching Biden.  That means no evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors.  No evidence.  No proof. Lots and lots of right wing bias. 

I stand in the belief that there is currently no evidence that Joe Biden broke laws or conducted himself in a fashion that warrants impeachment. I stand fully prepared to examine the case implying Biden's corruption.  So far that case is basically innuendo and unsubstantiated claims based in wild and deeply partisan speculation.  If you have something more substantial to offer, I'll examine it.  

Look at how bias plays a part in the way people view the actual evidence against Trump.  A judge says Trump is a rapist and Trump's fans calls him a victim and point fingers at Biden.  A court says that Trump is guilty of defrauding the people of NY and his voters call it a political witch hunt and applaud a witch hunt of their own into Biden.  We have contemporary examples of how bias influences the judgment and even values of people, we don't have to reference OJ.

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Beerman said:

Not just the media, or Republicans.   Joe has too changed his tune.  It used to be he had never spoken to Hunter  his business dealings. 

Now, it's he has never been in business deals with his son.

That's fair, I can't keep up with what he says.   But I also don't like moving the goal posts ways out there.  The confidence of his detractors without proof.  I know the 82,000 look suspicious but let it play out.  But it doesn't matter doesn't.  The trail and jury of public opinion is out there just like it was for OJ (you brought him up).  

 

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A POLITICO review of recent congressional testimony and exhibits, along with court filings and media reports, casts doubt on several statements made by Biden and his representatives.

They include the president's claim that he has never discussed his relatives' business dealings with anyone and his suggestion that the appearance of emails apparently belonging to his son was the result of a Russian plot, as well as Biden's denials that his son made money from China and that his relatives have profited off of the Biden name.

Republicans, meanwhile, have turned up no proof for the claims of Biden's most zealous detractors: that he took official actions on account of his relatives' business dealings. And as for the Cafe Milano dinner, there is no indication that Joe Biden discussed business or offered favors to the energy executive that night.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/hunter-joe-biden-business-testimony-00125056

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The Republican-led House Oversight Committee is holding its first hearing Thursday in the impeachment inquiry of President Joe Biden – and Republicans on the committee have made a series of false and misleading claims, as well as some other claims that have left out critical context.

 https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/fact-check-house-impeachment-hearing-biden/index.html

It doesn't matter where I stand in the polls or what I speculate.  That doesn't matter.  I don't care if Biden is found guilty and sent to jail.  Well I do because that would be a shameful part of American history.  But if he's done shady things, then prove and get rid of him.  I'll get over it and move on.  You remember I said this when Trump said the election was stolen.  It would be the greatest shame of this nation, but if it's true, we can deal and move on from there.  Just prove and don't make up shite.

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Beerman said:

There is more recent news this week of which they have not reported as far as I can tell..  I posted a link to it earlier.  It's 82000 pages under pseudonyms.  Which averages 110 pages a day over his 8 years as VP.

Do you mean the James Comer Newsmax story?  Bull.  I won't believe a word of it until the documents have been investigated by a mentally normal person and news service.  He's made a fools of his little inquisition too many times to believe a word of this.  But we really have more pressing problems here that the Republicans are desperate to ignore since they offer to policies.  The possibility of WWIII irritates much more than this trivial stuff.

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toomuchbaloney said:

Look at how bias plays a part in the way people view the actual evidence against Trump.  A judge says Trump is a rapist and Trump's fans calls him a victim and point fingers at Biden.  A court says that Trump is guilty of defrauding the people of NY and his voters call it a political witch hunt and applaud a witch hunt of their own into Biden.  We have contemporary examples of how bias influences the judgment and even values of people, we don't have to reference OJ.

LOL...Funny how you first say that the Biden case is nothing but innuendo, speculation, and unsubstantiated claims and then you try to contrast that to the Trump "rape" case.  In the Trump case, the ONLY evidence was the testimony of the plaintiff in multi-million dollar civil case and her two friends.  Sounds like unsubstantiated claims to me.

BTW, you're a bit off to say the judge called Trump a rapist.  It was a jury trial, and the jury found him liable for sexual abuse.  The judge later felt the need to say the jury said it was the same as rape.

As for the fraud, yes one judge said he is liable for fraud.  I have a open mind.  I've asked several times if any here can explain how he defrauded the people of New York.  No one has come up with anything plausible, imo.

 

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subee said:

Do you mean the James Comer Newsmax story?  Bull.  I won't believe a word of it until the documents have been investigated by a mentally normal person and news service.  He's made a fools of his little inquisition too many times to believe a word of this.  But we really have more pressing problems here that the Republicans are desperate to ignore since they offer to policies.  The possibility of WWIII irritates much more than this trivial stuff.

No.  I linked to a story farther back, and you're missing context of discussion since then.  

Yes, the possibility of WWIII is frightening.  Lots of other stuff also not going well.

I saw that several thousand pro Palestine protesters outside the WH today.  Too bad Joe was off doing more important things, such as visiting a Amtrak facility to announce more $ billions are to come their way.

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Yes, Biden is doing his job rather than engaging in media driven behavior.  Joe Biden is not looking to divide America with provocative language at this point in time.  

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/transportation-and-transit/amtrak-joe-biden-delaware/3687746/

It's not clear why seeing protesters first hand is more important than announcing important investments and job creation. 

Beerman said:

No.  I linked to a story farther back, and you're missing context of discussion since then.  

Yes, the possibility of WWIII is frightening.  Lots of other stuff also not going well.

I saw that several thousand pro Palestine protesters outside the WH today.  Too bad Joe was off doing more important things, such as visiting a Amtrak facility to announce more $ billions are to come their way.

Lots of stuff is also going well, with much less chaos and erratic behavior from the POTUS than in the previous administration.  Uncertain times requires wisdom, a cool head, and ability to broker trust from the American president.  I think Biden brings that to the table compared to his political competition.  

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