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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

heron said:

Can you name a Buddhist who has used the symbol since WW2?

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heron said:

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By "they", I mean They are showing their existential dread of anyone they don't control, as well as their will to kill or enslave them.

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Are you equating peaceful followers of Buddhism with these "neonazis, white supremacists and random subhumans addicted to owning the libs" you speak of?

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chare said:

Perhap banning was not the best choice of words, thank you.  Considering that, I will rephrase my question to @subee and ask if she thinks Christians should "move on" from using the cross.

Considering Buddhism has use the swastika for millenia before Hitler bastardized it in his quest for proof of his Master race, who exactly do you think they are, or what they are showing?

Their motives are certainly clouded by the content and messaging in their media outlet which is elevating some right wing extremist thought in both Europe and the USA. To me it says to steer clear.  They aren't unaware of the symbolism.  

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heron said:

No, you are.

How so?

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chare said:

Asian faiths try to save swastika symbol corrupted by Hitler

South Asian Americans face a complicated relationship with the swastika

Buddhist monk raises awareness about the swastika's original meaning

How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it

Symbol beyond redemption? Asians try to save swastika from Hitler

'Visceral impact’: Hindus, Buddhists try to reclaim the swastika from its Nazi taint

Are you equating peaceful followers of Buddhism with these "neonazis, white supremacists and random subhumans addicted to owning the libs" you speak of?

I didn't read her comment in that way at all. Would you please quote the language that equated peaceful followers of Buddhism with the "neonazis, white supremacists and random subhumans addicted to owning the libs" to clarify?

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toomuchbaloney said:

I didn't read her comment in that way at all. Would you please quote the language that equated peaceful followers of Buddhism with the "neonazis, white supremacists and random subhumans addicted to owning the libs" to clarify?

Actually I get chare's and Beerman's point: that there are cultural traditions for whom that symbol is part of ancient sacred traditions. Of course, the citations were primarily discussions about the symbol and not its actual use as a primary identifier of those traditions. Context is everything  and, since I'm not context blind, I'm pretty confident that I can discern the difference between a nazi and a hindu.

Meanwhile, at this time in this place, use of a swastika by europeans or european-americans is a reference to and glorification of genocide and white supremacy. Kind of a political scarlet letter.

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Beerman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/south-asian-americans-complicated-relationship-swastika-rcna18599

When I was in India in 2008,  I saw it several times on old buildings.  The guide explained on the first day we might see them and explained it has a different meaning.  It wasn't widespread but it's there but definitely there.  

I'm sure ancient Incas or Aztecs saw the cross as a symbol of hate and destruction.  Some things are in the eyes of the interpreter.  

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Tweety said:

When I was in India in 2008,  I saw it several times on old buildings.  The guide explained on the first day we might see them and explained it has a different meaning.  It wasn't widespread but it's there but definitely there.  

I'm sure ancient Incas or Aztecs saw the cross as a symbol of hate and destruction.  Some things are in the eyes of the interpreter.  

Or those on the receiving end.

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heron said:

Actually I get chare's and Beerman's point: that there are cultural traditions for whom that symbol is part of ancient sacred traditions. Of course, the citations were primarily discussions about the symbol and not its actual use as a primary identifier of those traditions. Context is everything  and, since I'm not context blind, I'm pretty confident that I can discern the difference between a nazi and a hindu.

Meanwhile, at this time in this place, use of a swastika by europeans or european-americans is a reference to and glorification of genocide and white supremacy. Kind of a political scarlet letter.

I also get their point as illustrated by the acknowledgment that the ancient symbol has been appropriated by right wing extremists in the modern era.  Context is important, which is why, in the instance of this right wing media outlet, I'm suspicious.  I wouldn't rely on them for much.  

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Tweety said:

When I was in India in 2008,  I saw it several times on old buildings.  The guide explained on the first day we might see them and explained it has a different meaning.  It wasn't widespread but it's there but definitely there.  

I'm sure ancient Incas or Aztecs saw the cross as a symbol of hate and destruction.  Some things are in the eyes of the interpreter.  

There's nothing unusual about noticing the symbol and scrutinizing who is using it to discern their intentions and ideologies.  Context is important.  

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chare said:

Perhap banning was not the best choice of words, thank you.  Considering that, I will rephrase my question to @subee and ask if she thinks Christians should "move on" from using the cross.

Considering Buddhism has use the swastika for millenia before Hitler bastardized it in his quest for proof of his Master race, who exactly do you think they are, or what they are showing?

The publisher of the Epoch Times is a Buddist?  John Tang is a follow of Falun  Gong and supports the far right wing in Germany.  Should Christians move on from the cross?  That's a very complicated question since that symbol is associated with violent conquests, murder, Nazi collaboration, etc.  So it, too, has been hijacked by bad players, just as our American flag has been hijacked by our own far-right.  I don't think John Tang picked a swatika out of thin air; he found a convenient way to display in his German language version of ET to win them as supporters.  You're asking the wrong person if Christians should move on beyond the cross.  I always thought it to be barbaric when worn as jewelry.  Especially after reading the Wolf Hall trilogy:):) It was a disturbing read.

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Biden's big headache is the possibility of impeachment and another debt ceiling fight.

Impeachments are interesting in that both Clinton and Trump experienced a rise in their approval ratings after.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/04/white-house-biden-impeachment-00113824

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