President Biden thread

17 hours ago, nursel56 said:

Just jumping in here because your post struck a particular chord, and perhaps it will make people's attitudes toward Trump slightly more understandable.

Your comment "it is not logical to blame EVERYTHING going forward on Trump." That would be a perfectly valid point if we were talking about opposing agendas between Republican and Democrat presidents before Trump, including Richard Nixon, the most villified President of the modern era.

I will preface my comment with a reference to a popular talking point of the Clinton era, "character matters". I now believe it's a damn shame that talking point was wasted on the Paula Jones deposition and a finger-wagging sound bite. 

I would argue that whatever happened there it cannot be demonstrated that it affected his performance as POTUS.

Trump's flaws of character affect every aspect of his performance as POTUS, and it may be years before we even approach knowing what damage those flaws have unleashed. From a policy angle, a great deal of the damage was caused by his stationing his fanatical loyalists across the federal bureaucracy.

Another factor to consider is that while it was amply demonstrated that Trump attempted to damage the current president using the powers of the office he held, much of the damage occurs to people in areas where it is largely happenstance that the news media will pick it up.  Now that those Trump people aren't around to bury evidence of Trump's thorough corruption, at least some of it will come to light, albeit probably slowly and incompletely.

I just don't think it's right to apply typical political slogans to that person and his administration. The worst is yet to come.

All presidents lie but Trump takes the cake. 

Washington lied about the strategy for beating the British when it was the French who devised the plan. Clinton was responsible for the banking deregulation and subsequent abuse by Wall Street with the Glass Stegall dissolution, both Bush's were war mongering and lied to substantiate their cause, LBJ lied almost as often as Trump, Obama was weak with his stupid reaching across the aisle strategy, but nobody killed or was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths like Trump! 

If he wasn't a total moron, I would say Joan of Arc him! His supporters should be deported just for sheer stupidity! Think of the children they will raise? How many Asian Americans just died? 

In real life, I don't tolerate any stupid people because I am terrified of them! If it wasn't for natural selection, embrace eugenics? Thing is, you just don't know who's going to be the next Enstein! They can arrive from any race, social class or demographic! 

But stupid people should be strongly regulated by a British style approach! Forget political correctness and let them know! 

38 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Jewish News of Northern California article:

Hate on display: A guide to the symbols and signs on display at the Capitol insurrection

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Swastikas and neo-Nazis...

Prominent Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis were part of the Capitol mob.

...In a video, at least one participant can be seen brandishing a flag bearing a swastika. Originally a Buddhist symbol representing the dharma wheel, the swastika since 1935 has become the defining symbol of Nazism and neo-Nazis. The Anti-Defamation League calls it “one of the most potent hate symbols worldwide.”...

Interesting.  This article, written by Laura E. Adkins & Emily Burack and posted by the Jewish News of Norther California (JNNC) was provided by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA) is nearly identical to the article I submitted from the Jerusalem Post (JP).  The Swastikas and neo-Nazis (JNNC) and neo-Nazis (JT, JTA) sections all consist of 4 paragraphs.  In all three articles, the first, second, and fourth paragraphs are identical.  However, the third paragraph in the JNNC is different from the third paragraph in the JT and JTA articles.  For comparison:

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In a video, one participant can be seen brandishing a flag with what some Twitter users identified as a swastika, though it isn’t entirely clear.

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Jesus, I was hoping someone would make the connection between stupidity, Nazis, eugenics and natural selection and run with it! 

No one? No ideas? 

4 hours ago, chare said:

A swastika flag?  Really?  I saw America First, Betsy Ross, Confederate, Gadsen, Kekistan, Liberty, and Three Percenter flags.  In addition to the usual fare associated with some of Mr. Trump’s far/extreme right supporters. I saw Crusader crosses and Norse symbols, 1776 memorabilia,and of course the Punisher had to make his presence known as well.  And Pepe the frog made an appearance as well. 

But a swastika flag?  The Jerusalem Post noted that some Twitter users reported seeing a swastika, but it wasn’t clear. 

But a swastika flag?

Capitol riots: What far-right hate symbols were on display?

Flags, Hate Symbols and QAnon Shirts: Decoding the Capitol Riot

Identifying far-right symbols that appeared at the U.S. Capitol riot

Several groups of extremists stormed … some of the most notable individuals, symbols, and groups

Wait a minute.  You just posted all sorts of haters here and yet YOU only saw the  flowers come from the unicorn's ***?  

36 minutes ago, subee said:

Wait a minute.  You just posted all sorts of haters here and yet YOU only saw the  flowers come from the unicorn's ***?  

No.  I asked you for a source for your reference when you referred to  that a reference was made to those who "carried a swastika flag in DC."  Apparently you can't do this.

Let me be clear.  I am not defending any of those that were involved in the assault on the Capital.  However, as I stated in an earlier post, there are several here that expect some members here to post sources for claims that they make. I have no problem with that.  What I have a problem with is when these same individuals post claims, some of which seem somewhat strange or farfetched don't feel that this applies to them.

If you have a legitimate source for your claim, please post it.  If not, I'll have to assume that it is another baseless claim made based half-truths, misinformation, or rumor.

This double standard is the primary reason that I typically don't post in any of the political forums.

I await your response.

36 minutes ago, chare said:

No.  I asked you for a source for your reference when you referred to  that a reference was made to those who "carried a swastika flag in DC."  Apparently you can't do this.

Let me be clear.  I am not defending any of those that were involved in the assault on the Capital.  However, as I stated in an earlier post, there are several here that expect some members here to post sources for claims that they make. I have no problem with that.  What I have a problem with is when these same individuals post claims, some of which seem somewhat strange or farfetched don't feel that this applies to them.

If you have a legitimate source for your claim, please post it.  If not, I'll have to assume that it is another baseless claim made based half-truths, misinformation, or rumor.

This double standard is the primary reason that I typically don't post in any of the political forums.

I await your response.

Am I one of those individuals who makes far fetched or strange seeming claims who also thinks that I am not accountable for sourcing my opinions? 

28 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Am I one of those individuals who makes far fetched or strange seeming claims who also thinks that I am not accountable for sourcing my opinions? 

 

While I don't always agree with the content of your posts, I generally find them well written and thought provoking.  And while you don't always provide sources in your initial post, you generally do so when asked.

15 hours ago, chare said:

No.  I asked you for a source for your reference when you referred to  that a reference was made to those who "carried a swastika flag in DC."  Apparently you can't do this.

Let me be clear.  I am not defending any of those that were involved in the assault on the Capital.  However, as I stated in an earlier post, there are several here that expect some members here to post sources for claims that they make. I have no problem with that.  What I have a problem with is when these same individuals post claims, some of which seem somewhat strange or farfetched don't feel that this applies to them.

If you have a legitimate source for your claim, please post it.  If not, I'll have to assume that it is another baseless claim made based half-truths, misinformation, or rumor.

This double standard is the primary reason that I typically don't post in any of the political forums.

I await your response.

Wait no longer.  The KEK flag is based on the swastika.  Do you miss the shirt with "6 million wasn't enough?"  This is in your own source list.  The Pittsburg synagogue bombing happened wouldn't have happened without the fumings of Steve Bannon on Breitbart when he was "chairman" of the organization.  Cemetery desecrations became de riguer under the Trump administration.  You can't ever find the news you don't look for.  I grew up in the deep South and never experienced an anti-Semitic slur growing up.  It wasn't until Trump and my neighbor up here in the far North decided to let me know how his father worked in a concentration camp and he wasn't unhappy about it.  Trump called his accountant "my little Jew."  Dirtbags defending their very own Dirtbad In Chief.

2 hours ago, subee said:

Wait no longer.  The KEK flag is based on the swastika. ...

Not exactly.  The Kek flag was based on the Nazi battle flag, not the swastika.  From the Southern Policy Center's Hatewatch What the Kek: Explaining the Alt-Right 'Deity' Behind Their 'Meme Magic' page:

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The banner’s design, in fact, perfectly mimics a German Nazi war flag, with the Kek logo replacing the swastika and the green replacing the infamous German red. Alt-righters are particularly fond of the way the banner trolls liberals who recognize its origins.

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2 hours ago, subee said:

... Do you miss the shirt with "6 million wasn't enough?" ...

No, I saw that.  As I said earlier, and will say again, I'm not condoning or defending the actions of any of those that were involved in the assault on the Capital.  I will also add, I don't condone or support the actions of any individual or group that discriminates against another individual or group, for any reason.

My point, which is being missed, is this: When you make a claim, especially one which hasn't been widely circulated, you really needbto be able to source it, with legitimate sources.  Particularly when you call on other members to post sources of their own.

8 minutes ago, chare said:

Not exactly.  The Kek flag was based on the Nazi battle flag, not the swastika.  From the Southern Policy Center's Hatewatch What the Kek: Explaining the Alt-Right 'Deity' Behind Their 'Meme Magic' page:

 

No, I saw that.  As I said earlier, and will say again, I'm not condoning or defending the actions of any of those that were involved in the assault on the Capital.  I will also add, I don't condone or support the actions of any individual or group that discriminates against another individual or group, for any reason.

My point, which is being missed, is this: When you make a claim, especially one which hasn't been widely circulated, you really needbto be able to source it, with legitimate sources.  Particularly when you call on other members to post sources of their own.

I sourced your source and it wasn't good enough?  Wow.   KEK = Nazi flag.  6 Million Dead Wasn't Enough isn't "enough" for you?  You are willfully ignoring and denying  what is in front of your face.  Nazi presence at the riots has been extensively reported on rather than what you are saying "hasn't been widely circulated."  It's like arguing with a holocaust denier just because we don't actually have the opportunity to walk into an active concentration camp; we only have pictures and they could have been faked and that is a very important point for you.  

12 minutes ago, subee said:

I sourced your source and it wasn't good enough?  Wow.   KEK = Nazi flag.  6 Million Dead Wasn't Enough isn't "enough" for you?  You are willfully ignoring and denying  what is in front of your face.  Nazi presence at the riots has been extensively reported on rather than what you are saying "hasn't been widely circulated."  It's like arguing with a holocaust denier just because we don't actually have the opportunity to walk into an active concentration camp; we only have pictures and they could have been faked and that is a very important point for you.  

Strikes colors and withdraws from field of battle.