President Biden thread

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Blah blah blah strawman...blah blah blah. 

 I've made no suggestion the Biden hasn't lied... that's not the point.  When you start with a strawman it's difficult for me to even want to continue reading. No one accused you of hating Biden.

Trump is treated differently because he is the most dishonest, corrupt and incompetent president of your lifetime.  Trump is treated differently because his lies about our elections are a threat to our republic. 

 

Yes. Strawman.... anything can be a strawman, you just have to say it. He was treated differently before that. 

And I apploligize but the way you speak gives me the impression that you do in fact think Biden is flawless.or, Almost if you admit to a fault, then Trump wins in some way.  

Trump was treated differently before Jan.6. 

I disagree but I respect your opinion. 

43 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

If we just look at evidence from prior to January 6th, I'm certainly less sure than others that his intent wasn't to incite a baseless belief that the election had been "stolen" from him, I mean he announced long before the election that this would be his tactic if he lost.

But we didn't have to wonder if this was his intent after the tweet that finally got him banned from Twitter where he admitted that what happened in the Capitol on January 6th was what he expected to happen as a result of his false claims.  He.  Admitted.  To.  It.  I'm really not clear what there is to further debate at this point or what additional evidence people are waiting on.

I heard this before that he admitted to it. I usually do not ask you a source but do you have one? I'm not challenging you but I have heard this before, but not often from a media source.  

1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Yes. Strawman.... anything can be a strawman, you just have to say it. He was treated differently before that. 

And I apploligize but the way you speak gives me the impression that you do in fact think Biden is flawless.or, Almost if you admit to a fault, then Trump wins in some way.  

Trump was treated differently before Jan.6. 

I disagree but I respect your opinion. 

No. Maybe you don't know what a strawman argument is but it has a specific definition.  Yes, you may believe or think what you want but I won't allow you to put words in my mouth without pushing back. 

Yes, Trump was treated differently because he was the least qualified, most dishonest and corrupt president of your lifetime. 

18 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nah... aTrump supporter who is going to encourage concern about any lie that they believe that Biden might utter is going to get called out in the unprecedented lies that they continue to ignore from Trump and his sycophants. Dangerous lies.  Trump supporters have zero standing to talk about lies or corruption in other politicians. 

I can't tell you how to post but if you ignore a post and deflect to Trump, that's pretty useless to the conversation much of the time.  We've been this route before and obviously your strong held beliefs on how to post will remain intact.  Obviously, I'll continue to voice how I feel about you ignoring topics.

12 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes, Trump was treated differently because he was the least qualified, most dishonest and corrupt president of your lifetime. 

I'm not sure Trump was treated differently than other presidents.

George W. Bush was the president during the crash and the Great Recession and treatment of him was intense.

Conservatives like to have this agenda that Obama was the press's darling and he perhaps he was at first during his historic win.  But then Fox News and others kicked in that the hatred of him almost immediately was intense.  One of my friends called him a "lying sack of shite".  It was so intense the Tea Party was formed against him.

Now look at Biden and Lauren Beobert, a congressperson, wears "Let's Go Brandon" (meaning f-bomb Joe Biden) on the back of her dress posing with Trump.  He's called feeble, demented, and "wallowing in self-pity" and It's intense.

Comes with the territory.

Trump brought a lot on himself with his behavior and lies.  I'm not feeling that he was treated differently than others.  I think we're at that age in society with 24 hour news stations with commentators and the internet that Presidents are "treated differently".  

On 6/12/2022 at 2:46 AM, Tweety said:

That's what most people say, that they want to point out hypocrisy.

How about this? When Beerman pointed out Biden lied about an offer from a military academy.   What if I responded with "well Trump lied about being first in his classs"?

It conveniently allows me not to address his subject and demeans him for bringing it up.  It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I know it's my issue and I try to ignore it.  Bu you accused TMG of deflection but when you did it, it's with integrity.  Okay.

I make no claim that I am completly innocent of deflection or anything else. However my intent isn't to purposely deflect. I do believe that I have never started an opinion accusing anyone of deflection or strawman or the like. I could be wrong. I'm trying to explain with out sounding like, "you did it first" LOL. I tend not to use words like deflection, strawman ,propaganda etc because I find them to be subjective. 

We get heated on here sometimes and I have had some catty replies and tongue in cheek comments which only serves to diminish my opinions. I'll do my best to minimize this, I will not promise though! LOL

39 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I make no claim that I am completly innocent of deflection or anything else. However my intent isn't to purposely deflect. I do believe that I have never started an opinion accusing anyone of deflection or strawman or the like. I could be wrong. I'm trying to explain with out sounding like, "you did it first" LOL. I tend not to use words like deflection, strawman ,propaganda etc because I find them to be subjective. 

We get heated on here sometimes and I have had some catty replies and tongue in cheek comments which only serves to diminish my opinions. I'll do my best to minimize this, I will not promise though! LOL

I am the same way and occasionally people point out that I'm doing what I criticize.  

My main point is someone was talking about the lie that Trump won the election and your response was "Or the total truth that an officer at the capital died from blunt force trauma with a fire extinguisher? Or that Nick Sandman was a little MAGA supremacist? Oh and "Russian collusion"?. ....."  

No matter what your agenda was in that statement it had nothing to do with the topic of the lie of Trump winning the election.  

But carry on.  Like I've said many times here over the years, it's an issue that I have.  When Trump won the election people deflected to Obama all the time, so it's a long standing issue with me.  You can ignore it.  TMB does.  LOL

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I'm not sure Trump was treated differently than other presidents.

George W. Bush was the president during the crash and the Great Recession and treatment of him was intense.

Conservatives like to have this agenda that Obama was the press's darling and he perhaps he was at first during his historic win.  But then Fox News and others kicked in that the hatred of him almost immediately was intense.  One of my friends called him a "lying sack of shite".  It was so intense the Tea Party was formed against him.

Now look at Biden and Lauren Beobert, a congressperson, wears "Let's Go Brandon" (meaning f-bomb Joe Biden) on the back of her dress posing with Trump.  He's called feeble, demented, and "wallowing in self-pity" and It's intense.

Comes with the territory.

Trump brought a lot on himself with his behavior and lies.  I'm not feeling that he was treated differently than others.  I think we're at that age in society with 24 hour news stations with commentators and the internet that Presidents are "treated differently".  

Agree, Tweety.  The Tea Party seems so quaint compared to now where the Republicans have fallen to the 9th circle of Hell, rather than the useful foil to the Democrats that we enjoyed in other decades.

51 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Its not just deflecting to Trump, but deflecting to in order to comment on the perceived defiencies of anyone who voted for Trump, supports any of his policies, or dares to acknowledge that something went right under his administration.

Yeah. When those who support a dangerous liar want to fret about precieved lies of others that's likely to get noticed and mentioned.  Especially when those supporters of a liar who point fingers also want to complain about the hypocrisy of their ideological opponents. 

Nothing that went right during the Trump administration outweigh the very many wrong things in that administration.  Then you have to consider the intentional actions Trump took to retain lost power after the election.  Trump is bad for this country and its government. 

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Its not just deflecting to Trump, but deflecting to in order to comment on the perceived defiencies of anyone who voted for Trump, supports any of his policies, or dares to acknowledge that something went right under his administration.

Well, it's nothing but predictable as evidenced by the response above that we've heard 999 times already. 

I happen to think it's fair to complain about Biden.  Just because Trump was President doesn't mean you don't get to complain about Biden.