President Biden thread

49 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

My rupblic? It is OUR republic. Your devisivness is alarming. 

I'm sorry you do not understand. There are only a few topics that place me more right,even though I'm an independent thinker that doesnt falls prey to tribalism of yes, both parties! 

So perhaps you should take a minute and reflect on your own personal or moral beliefs that have caused you to become very presumptuous in what you assume about people including their political affiliation,  Religion and race. 

 

If something is "ours" then that would mean it is also "mine" and "yours", that seems like a silly thing to get huffy about.

22 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Or the total truth that an officer at the capital died from blunt force trauma with a fire extinguisher? Or that Nick Sandman was a little MAGA supremacist? Oh and "Russian collusion"?. .....

Yes...speaking of deflection.  The old "but your side does it too..." deflection to try and nullify a point someone is making.  Not effective.

On 6/10/2022 at 3:54 PM, Tweety said:

Yes...speaking of deflection.  The old "but your side does it too..." deflection to try and nullify a point someone is making.  Not effective.

I know ypu have a special distain for "but your side did it too". I apploligize for any irritation caused by me.

You can call it deflection, I preference to call it pointing out hypocrisy and could also claim that by pointing out hypocrisy (you call it deflection), I could say that it is a deflection from admitting that "your side in fact did it too". 

It is not unreasonable to expect that one would hold them selfs to the same expectation that they hold on others . I find that politics today is lacking in this basic integrity  not just "yourside" but "all sides" are guilty. I guess that's a deflection too in some opinions? I call that having integrity by holding one's self to the same standard as they hold others. 

4 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

I know ypu have a special distain for "but your side did it too". I apploligize for any irritation caused by me.

You can call it deflection, I preference to call it pointing out hypocrisy and could also claim that by pointing out hypocrisy (you call it deflection), I could say that it is a deflection from admitting that "your side in fact did it too". 

It is not unreasonable to expect that one would hold them selfs to the same expectation that they hold on others . I find that politics today is lacking in this basic integrity  not just "yourside" but "all sides" are guilty. I guess that's a deflection too in some opinions? I call that having integrity by holding one's self to the same standard as they hold others. 

 

That's what most people say, that they want to point out hypocrisy.

How about this? When Beerman pointed out Biden lied about an offer from a military academy.   What if I responded with "well Trump lied about being first in his classs"?

It conveniently allows me not to address his subject and demeans him for bringing it up.  It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I know it's my issue and I try to ignore it.  Bu you accused TMG of deflection but when you did it, it's with integrity.  Okay.

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

That's what most people say, that they want to point out hypocrisy.

How about this? When Beerman pointed out Biden lied about an offer from a military academy.   What if I responded with "well Trump lied about being first in his classs"?

It conveniently allows me not to address his subject and demeans him for bringing it up.  It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I know it's my issue and I try to ignore it.  Bu you accused TMG of deflection but when you did it, it's with integrity.  Okay.

Fair enough. I see what you are saying. If you said Trump lied about being first in his class I would agree that  is just petty banter. 

I am not innocent of this however I am more interested in substantial things . I would point out how the media would scrutinize, fact check and report almost daily pointing out Trump's lies and exagerations and twisting his words.(This was easy because Trump was not a skilled communicator).Yet seems to be less vocal with Biden and depending on the source , almost cover for him. 

All politicians lie one way or another and for years we have accepted this. In my opinion they treat elected officials differently.  

I will try and be less petty, but I  will vocalize hypocrisy when I see it. I try and treat everyone equal and fairly so I tend to expect that from others. (Not saying you don't). And please, tell me if I'm being petty or you disagree, I rather be pointed out as being petty once, then make myself look like a fool. 

You called me out with my post about Hunter Biden. It put me in my place and if you noticed, I conceded and stopped posting about it. I actually appreciate this. 

3 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Fair enough. I see what you are saying. If you said Trump lied about being first in his class I would agree that  is just petty banter. 

I am not innocent of this however I am more interested in substantial things . I would point out how the media would scrutinize, fact check and report almost daily pointing out Trump's lies and exagerations and twisting his words.(This was easy because Trump was not a skilled communicator).Yet seems to be less vocal with Biden and depending on the source , almost cover for him. 

All politicians lie one way or another and for years we have accepted this. In my opinion they treat elected officials differently.  

I will try and be less petty, but I  will vocalize hypocrisy when I see it. I try and treat everyone equal and fairly so I tend to expect that from others. (Not saying you don't). And please, tell me if I'm being petty or you disagree, I rather be pointed out as being petty once, then make myself look like a fool. 

You called me out with my post about Hunter Biden. It put me in my place and if you noticed, I conceded and stopped posting about it. I actually appreciate this. 

It's difficult to tell that you are trying to be fair and treat people equally when you are unable to discern or speak to the unprecedented lying and corruption of Donald Trump while openly implying that there is some equivalence to the honesty of Biden, when there isn't.  Not factually or historically is there any person who was as dishonest in the role of the president as was Trump.  It's not fair to imply that others are equally dishonest without specific and quantifiable evidence. 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's difficult to tell that you are trying to be fair and treat people equally when you are unable to discern or speak to the unprecedented lying and corruption of Donald Trump while openly implying that there is some equivalence to the honesty of Biden, when there isn't.  Not factually or historically is there any person who was as dishonest in the role of the president as was Trump.  It's not fair to imply that others are equally dishonest without specific and quantifiable evidence. 

A lie is lie.  Some lies are worse than  others such as "I won the election".   However someone should be able to talk about a Biden lie, or anything about Biden without you constantly bringing up Trump.

14 minutes ago, Tweety said:

A lie is lie.  Some lies are worse than  others such as "I won the election".   However someone should be able to talk about a Biden lie, or anything about Biden without you constantly bringing up Trump.

Nah... aTrump supporter who is going to encourage concern about any lie that they believe that Biden might utter is going to get called out in the unprecedented lies that they continue to ignore from Trump and his sycophants. Dangerous lies.  Trump supporters have zero standing to talk about lies or corruption in other politicians. 

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's difficult to tell that you are trying to be fair and treat people equally when you are unable to discern or speak to the unprecedented lying and corruption of Donald Trump while openly implying that there is some equivalence to the honesty of Biden, when there isn't.  Not factually or historically is there any person who was as dishonest in the role of the president as was Trump.  It's not fair to imply that others are equally dishonest without specific and quantifiable evidence. 

I'm not comparing the honesty of either of them. It was a hypothetical that Tweety presented.  I'm not going to bring up Trump. This is not a "you're side did this". Yes Trump lied, and embelishd and boasted. Are you seriously emplying that Biden has never told on single lie? Or embelishd anything? That he is the only politician that is free from this? It doesn't make him as bad as Trump if he did. 

This is your opinion. You are not the authoritative figure that knows all facts and all lies.  I can say something and you can find something to discredit that, I can do the same right after. We had this discussion already where another member pointed out that anytime someone post a source, some on here will discredit the source, use bias as deception. 

I've never said Biden is a liar. I never said Trump never lies. I'm sorry YOU think I'm misinformed but I disagree. 

I can and critizise both of them. I come off as a Trump defender because there isn't many alternate opinions on this site. I will defend Biden as well. Again, most of the criticism is for Trump. In my opinion he is treated differently. You do not have to agree, but that doesn't completly discredit me either. I'm not  completly disillusioned because my opinion is different. I would never make that claim about you. 

I have called some democrats far left radicals but the truth is there is some that exist  I haven't condemned the entire party. Youbhavevrefered to Republicans as all sorts of nasty things and I seriously believe you think the entire party and all conservative Americans as all the nasty things you said. And that you either to see the party removed from the government entirety. Then say something else is "threatening our democratic republic". If I'm wrong  I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

I don't hate Biden. He is my president. I do not particularly like him but I want him to do good things! He has done good things. I also know Trump is divisive and hoped Biden could unite us.(I won't even go there).  I don't live to see him fail. I personally think you are pre-occupied with Trump perhaps more than some fanatics. The only critism I've seen you make of Biden is "he's too old...". 

This is what I consider as fairness. You no doubt will disagree and that is perfectly fine. Doesn't make me or you a liar  a bad person or a good person. 

Blah blah blah strawman...blah blah blah. 

 I've made no suggestion the Biden hasn't lied... that's not the point.  When you start with a strawman it's difficult for me to even want to continue reading. No one accused you of hating Biden.

Trump is treated differently because he is the most dishonest, corrupt and incompetent president of your lifetime.  Trump is treated differently because his lies about our elections are a threat to our republic. 

I think it's important to differentiate between whataboutism and comparing /contrasting two different views on a particular topic.

Whataboutism general involves deflection or changing the subject, which isn't a productive way of discussing something.  It's sort of classic young sibling arguing - being accused of something and trying to defend it by accusing the other of something completely unrelated.

Referencing a Republican stance, or their presumed Presidential candidate on something when discussing the Democratic, or Biden's, stance on the same subject is not whataboutism.  It would actually seem completely reasonable when someone says 'this is what I don't like about the Democrat position' on something to then look at the proposed alternative from the other side.

If we just look at evidence from prior to January 6th, I'm certainly less sure than others that his intent wasn't to incite a baseless belief that the election had been "stolen" from him, I mean he announced long before the election that this would be his tactic if he lost.

But we didn't have to wonder if this was his intent after the tweet that finally got him banned from Twitter where he admitted that what happened in the Capitol on January 6th was what he expected to happen as a result of his false claims.  He.  Admitted.  To.  It.  I'm really not clear what there is to further debate at this point or what additional evidence people are waiting on.