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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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6 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It's no secret which party has conditioned many Americans to expect this, and who likes to give things like this.  Is it?

Yes, there is one party that thinks a rising tide lifts all boats and one party believes in trickledown economics. 

I don't belong to any political party but I am conditioned to expect a solid infrastructure, know that my food and drinking water are safe, and know that all the monies I put into Social Security and Medicare are going to be there when I retire. 

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5 hours ago, nursej22 said:

It is a statistical reality that half of a population with be above average and half below average. I never called them morons, which is, of course, hyperbole. 

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No, you didn't.  However, another member, in this thread did.  

5 hours ago, nursej22 said:

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Going back to the article that Tweety posted, many of the people interviewed were unaware of or didn't understand many of the achievements of the current administration. Perhaps this is willful ignorance, or what they get from the media, or they just don't have the faculties to understand things like inflation, or that we don't elect an omnipotent king, we elect an administrator. 

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As @Tweety posts links to several articles, perhaps you would link to the one you are referencing here. 

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9 minutes ago, chare said:

 

As @Tweety posts links to several articles, perhaps you would link to the one you are referencing here. 

Sure, here you go: 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/4-takeaways-on-americans-views-of-biden-ahead-of-state-of-the-union

 

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18 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Yes, there is one party that thinks a rising tide lifts all boats and one party believes in trickledown economics. 

I don't belong to any political party but I am conditioned to expect a solid infrastructure, know that my food and drinking water are safe, and know that all the monies I put into Social Security and Medicare are going to be there when I retire. 

I'm not sure what this has to do with my reply to your assertion that most Americans won't be happy until they receive a million dollars and a pony?

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46 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with my reply to your assertion that most Americans won't be happy until they receive a million dollars and a pony?

I feel like you are adding words to my posts that I did not use. I said Americans, not most Americans, not many Americans. 

Now if you want to pin that expectation on one party, knock yourself out. 

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

I despise liberals who think like this.  Maybe many just simply disagree on what would be considered an "achievement" by the Biden administration. 

Maybe those of you who voted out Trump were just unaware or didn't understand his achievements?  

 

The table is turned on you.  Many times you touted Trumps achievements only to be shot down with his failures.  I do think people were aware of his accomplishments.

Some things won't be considered an accomplishment.  For example Biden's spending plan is considered an accomplishment, but not by all.  Trump's tax cuts were considered an accomplishment and not by some.  

Trump, pre-covid had some great numbers.

The same with Biden, it's hard to believe an unemployment rate of 3.6%, 5.7% economic growth, and a 37% rise in corporate profits, a small drop in food stamp recipients can't be considered an achievement.

However, all that is easily dismissed when considering what are his failures such as a rise in murders, the border (although apprehensions are up), inflation, high gas prices, the rise in debt and the trade deficit.  All those are front in center and any accomplishments are blown away in the minds of some people.  

Now it's your lot in life, just as we listened to you and others tout Trumps accomplishments to listen to others tout Biden's #'s.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/bidens-numbers-first-quarterly-update/?fbclid=IwAR1z-InAw7KVqDhkD1V0y77SJMZw2Pkjf1kS2wCE0b987n22EBOgsC-ntFY

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1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

I feel like you are adding words to my posts that I did not use. I said Americans, not most Americans, not many Americans. 

Now if you want to pin that expectation on one party, knock yourself out. 

My apologies.

However, it was a one word mistake that didn't much change the context of what you said.  I'm not "adding words" to your posts.

It's very easy to pin expectations of that type on one party.  Isn't Biden feeling the heat right now for not forgiving student loans at a fast enough clip?

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7 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 

The table is turned on you.  Many times you touted Trumps achievements only to be shot down with his failures.  I do think people were aware of his accomplishments.

Some things won't be considered an accomplishment.  For example Biden's spending plan is considered an accomplishment, but not by all.  Trump's tax cuts were considered an accomplishment and not by some.  

Trump, pre-covid had some great numbers.

The same with Biden, it's hard to believe an unemployment rate of 3.6%, 5.7% economic growth, and a 37% rise in corporate profits, a small drop in food stamp recipients can't be considered an achievement.

However, all that is easily dismissed when considering what are his failures such as a rise in murders, the border (although apprehensions are up), inflation, high gas prices, the rise in debt and the trade deficit.  All those are front in center and any accomplishments are blown away in the minds of some people.  

Now it's your lot in life, just as we listened to you and others tout Trumps accomplishments to listen to others tout Biden's #'s.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/bidens-numbers-first-quarterly-update/?fbclid=IwAR1z-InAw7KVqDhkD1V0y77SJMZw2Pkjf1kS2wCE0b987n22EBOgsC-ntFY

Yes, we all have different views about what accomplishments and failures our.  That actually was my point. 

My objection was with the other poster blaming Biden's bad polling on that those of us who don't like what he's doing are below average intelligence, or "don't have the faculties to understand things like inflation".

I never used that as a reason for Trump's bad numbers, or him losing.  So, no, the table has not turned on me.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, we all have different views about what accomplishments and failures our.  That actually was my point. 

My objection was with the other poster blaming Biden's bad polling on that those of us who don't like what he's doing are below average intelligence, or "don't have the faculties to understand things like inflation".

I never used that as a reason for Trump's bad numbers, or him losing.  So, no, the table has not turned on me.

I reread the post and it mentioned nothing of the objections you mentioned.  My statement about the tables being turned was narrowed down to what I quoted which I won't repeat.  

And I did get your point about different views of accomplishments, but was giving examples.  

And I acknowledge you said "Maybe those of you who voted out Trump were just unaware or didn't understand his achievements? " without saying people were morons for being unaware and not understanding.  (But there's a subtext I'm reading into it LOL)

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8 minutes ago, Tweety said:

And I acknowledge you said "Maybe those of you who voted out Trump were just unaware or didn't understand his achievements? " without saying people were morons for being unaware and not understanding.  (But there's a subtext I'm reading into it LOL)

That was me "turning the table" on one particular poster in attempt to maybe show them how rediculous their comments were.  

That is not what I believe.

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13 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, we all have different views about what accomplishments and failures our.  That actually was my point. 

My objection was with the other poster blaming Biden's bad polling on that those of us who don't like what he's doing are below average intelligence, or "don't have the faculties to understand things like inflation".

I never used that as a reason for Trump's bad numbers, or him losing.  So, no, the table has not turned on me.

 

 

I guess that's your take on it. 

Given that there is a sizeable percentage of the adult population that informs themselves almost exclusively from FOX cable programming supplemented by other right wing commentary and opinion content, it's not wrong or unreasonable to comment that a good portion of those complaining about Biden are not doing so from a well informed position. It is known that those who depend upon FOX cable news to inform themselves are not getting important information that might be critical of Trump or republican leadership, and all other news is heavily filtered through a right wing perspective.  

Don't be disingenuous. What exactly do you think you are doing when you post about TDS when others speak about Trump's dangerous authoritarian tendencies or corruption? 

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12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

That was me "turning the table" on one particular poster in attempt to maybe show them how rediculous their comments were.  

That is not what I believe.

But you didn't turn the table because Trump was so incompetent and dishonest in his pandemic response that he was not electable.  There weren't enough "good achievements" to offset his inability to lead the country through a national public health emergency with candor, class or political courage.  Some failures in leadership and civic duty cannot be balanced out by a tax cut or a border policy.

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