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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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11 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

The "President who should have been aware this would happen and have acted on it" I was referring to was Trump.

If it was obvious this was going to happen just because Biden was elected President, why didn't Trump act in the two and a half months after Biden was elected?

Probably the same reason that Trump didn't really have a transition and put dangerous yes men in key positions before trying to overthrow the government and seize power he had lost in the election...

What do you suppose that reason is @Beerman? You seem to know what Biden and Democrats are thinking...why not work that magic and tell us what Trump was thinking and intended?

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

People above are giving him credit for ramp up of production.  Based on what?  Everyone in the vaccine business has their own motivation to ramp up production.  I know of one big company getting out of the covid vaccine business because they are too far behind the others. 

Yes, he can keep promoting it.  Big deal.  The more people who get it are the ones directly or indirectly promoting it.  Who here knows someone getting the vaccine because of Biden's influence?

 

 

Fair enough and then by the same token Trump deserves no credit because the people producing the vaccine are motivated by their profit and nothing the Presidents do and used their powerful influence to get it approved and produced.

I don't see Biden as getting credit for "ramping up the production".  I do see him giving the public updates on what is happening and what he hopes will be accomplished because people are very frustrated with the roll out.  You know, being a leader and stuff

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't need to step back and think about why.  I lived with migrant agricultural workers for a season and I worked with them for years.  They aren't interested in getting into trouble but lots of white people are convinced that trouble is all they are looking for and their interactions reflect that. It's amazing what you (generic) learn when you spend more time listening than talking. Since my spoken Spanish is far inferior to my Spanish comprehension I did lots of listening.  

Your connection could be an illusion. You obviously have the power in the dynamic. Desperate workers don't complain for many reasons.

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17 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

Your connection could be an illusion. You obviously have the power in the dynamic. Desperate workers don't complain for many reasons.

Yes, it could be.  Cultural sensitivity can always be improved upon and I'm no expert.

There are terrible working conditions in some areas of the migrant agricultural stream.  The fruit farmers along the western side of Michigan were pretty compliant with regulations and many workers "settled out" in nearby communities for year round orchard employment. We lived in one of those small towns. 

Teenagers sometimes act out, drink, wreck cars, break things...mostly males.  Almost never the teen males from camp. These communities didn't experience high rates of crime or violence because of Hispanic agricultural workers streaming through. I'd say the crime was related more to the depressed economics of the general area maybe. 

Most people try to stay out of trouble when they know that their employment depends upon them not getting arrested or involved in fights or wife beating or any other unacceptable social behavior. They will get booted from camp...sent home. Bus ticket south. 

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5 hours ago, Beerman said:

Just trying to figure out where you stand.  I discuss the mounting crisis at the border.  You keep replying with how great immigrants are, when no one here has said we don't want any immigration. 

Please, on the vaccines.   Biden doesnt deserve any credit for anything related to the vaccines.   Anyone here who tries to is being disingenuous and/or a troll.

Do you have any evidence that the Pfizer Merck deal was made before the Biden administration?  You still haven't provided a single idea for helping the crisis along the border.  

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough and then by the same token Trump deserves no credit because the people producing the vaccine are motivated by their profit and nothing the Presidents do and used their powerful influence to get it approved and produced.

I don't see Biden as getting credit for "ramping up the production".  I do see him giving the public updates on what is happening and what he hopes will be accomplished because people are very frustrated with the roll out.  You know, being a leader and stuff

The last administration gets credit for eliminating much of the financial risk for the pharmaceutical companies.   The biggest risk comes with phase 3 trials.  The government took on a bulk of the financial risk by placing orders before trials were started. There are other reasons, but that is the single biggest reason the vaccines happened so fast.

The current administration hasn't had to do anything.  They do seem busy however, trying to take credit.

Yeah.  Updates.  Sure.  What a undevisive leader.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/08/team-biden-downplays-trumps-vaccine-success/

  

8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't need to step back and think about why.  I lived with migrant agricultural workers for a season and I worked with them for years.  They aren't interested in getting into trouble but lots of white people are convinced that trouble is all they are looking for and their interactions reflect that. It's amazing what you (generic) learn when you spend more time listening than talking. Since my spoken Spanish is far inferior to my Spanish comprehension I did lots of listening.  

Well, that's a very vague anecdote.  Lmao!

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2 hours ago, Beerman said:

Well, that's a very vague anecdote.  Lmao!

Well, it wasn't a dialog which had originally involved you, but I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have relative to my experience with migrant and immigrant communities or the comment you quoted.   

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

The last administration gets credit for eliminating much of the financial risk for the pharmaceutical companies.   The biggest risk comes with phase 3 trials.  The government took on a bulk of the financial risk by placing orders before trials were started. There are other reasons, but that is the single biggest reason the vaccines happened so fast.

The current administration hasn't had to do anything.  They do seem busy however, trying to take credit.

Yeah.  Updates.  Sure.  What a undevisive leader.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/08/team-biden-downplays-trumps-vaccine-success/

  

Are you concerned that Trump's covid legacy is not going to be favorable?

Also, could you give me an example of a member of the Biden administration busily "trying to take credit", please?  

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2 hours ago, Beerman said:

The last administration gets credit for eliminating much of the financial risk for the pharmaceutical companies.   The biggest risk comes with phase 3 trials.  The government took on a bulk of the financial risk by placing orders before trials were started. There are other reasons, but that is the single biggest reason the vaccines happened so fast.

The current administration hasn't had to do anything.  They do seem busy however, trying to take credit.

Yeah.  Updates.  Sure.  What a undevisive leader.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/08/team-biden-downplays-trumps-vaccine-success/

  

Yes, I know all this and over and over said Trump deserves his props but you're argument that it's all because of the pharmaceutical companies and not the President gave me pause.

You can't have it both ways, say that Trump did all these great things and that Biden is doing nothing supportive of the vaccines.  Well, in your mind you can say that.

Trump treated Biden like crap and deserves not even one iota praise from Biden about anything.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-receive-covid-19-vaccine-harris-campaigning-georgia-n1251890

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For me the bottom line is that Trump intentionally lied about the virus.  Trump intentionally muzzled the scientists.  Trump intentionally downplayed the importance of masking and made that a visible political statement. 

Trump's actions are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, countless suffering and economic devastation.  He needs to be given credit for allowing his team to do some good things, sure.  Overall, I would give Trump a failing grade for Covid response and I'm far from alone. 

Getting credit for stuff is really high on Trump's priority list, always has been.  He used to call his father's property "his" when he was younger and branding his wealth.  He tries to take credit for coining phrases or other silly stuff. Trump isn't quite so interested in taking responsibility. 

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

The last administration gets credit for eliminating much of the financial risk for the pharmaceutical companies.   The biggest risk comes with phase 3 trials.  The government took on a bulk of the financial risk by placing orders before trials were started. There are other reasons, but that is the single biggest reason the vaccines happened so fast.

The current administration hasn't had to do anything.  They do seem busy however, trying to take credit.

Yeah.  Updates.  Sure.  What a undevisive leader.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/03/08/team-biden-downplays-trumps-vaccine-success/

  

So logically, the administration touting the benefits of injected bleach and sunshine and anti masking, SECRETLY were pulling a fast one on their supporters to KILL THEM or just pull a prank because they are so jovial and silly? 

This same administration also was doing its absolute best to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies to produce vaccines that they were telling their supporters NOT TO TAKE? 

Is this a Ricky Gervais sketch? Or, are you just GASLIGHTING THE *** out of us? 

1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

So logically, the administration touting the benefits of injected bleach and  sunshine ...

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Please provide a sourcefor your claim that Mr. Trump suggested anyone inject bleach.  

As for sunshine, EmitBio, a company in Durham, NC has applied for an emergency use authorization for a light source they developed.  

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Emitbio Inc., a life science company developing light-based therapies, is seeking emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. FDA for its investigational device to treat mild to moderate COVID-19 infection at home.

The portable, hand-held device is designed to be used by patients with mild to moderate symptoms of COVID-19, and works by directing precise wavelengths of visible light to the back of the throat and surrounding tissues. The device is not yet available for sale in the U.S.

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