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Wow.  No one has started such a thread yet?

After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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22 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Not interested in being rude?  I look forward to, but not getting my hope up for that change.  LOL.

Oh, sorry about the broad stroke I used to insult liberals.  That never happens here to conservatives,  does it? 

No, not interested in going toe to toe.  I don't have the time you seem to in retirement....seemingly waiting at the keyboard to throw shade my way. I certainly have better things to do.

 

 

 

 

LOL

Waiting to throw shade your way? That's cute. 

I doubt that you are sorry...your comment doesn't seem very genuine in view of the pattern of comments. 

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This is why I like sticking to the subject and not bringing up a tit for tat "but your side does...oh the hypocrisy of it all"......."what about when Trump...."...."but her emails......"..."but Cuomo..."

Bottom line is no matter what anyone says these days it's going to be pointed out as hypocritical.  

Beerman should be allowed to complain about Biden without us bringing up "but Trump".  Likewise Beerman should allow us to vent about Trump and conservatives without saying "liberal hypocrisy never ends".  

It's just not helpful and I understand it's my issue that I harp on but deal with it.  LOL

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

This is why I like sticking to the subject and not bringing up a tit for tat "but your side does...oh the hypocrisy of it all"......."what about when Trump...."...."but her emails......"..."but Cuomo..."

Bottom line is no matter what anyone says these days it's going to be pointed out as hypocritical.  

Beerman should be allowed to complain about Biden without us bringing up "but Trump".  Likewise Beerman should allow us to vent about Trump and conservatives without saying "liberal hypocrisy never ends".  

It's just not helpful and I understand it's my issue that I harp on but deal with it.  LOL

The hypocrisy I brought up had nothing to do with Trump.  It was about a poster complaing and making condescending remarks about my anecdotal evidence on a topic.  When, the day before that protester provided their own anecdote, trying to prove that immigrants arent interested in causing trouble (which actually is irreverent to the border crisis, anyway).

Anyway, your point is made.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

This is why I like sticking to the subject and not bringing up a tit for tat "but your side does...oh the hypocrisy of it all"......."what about when Trump...."...."but her emails......"..."but Cuomo..."

Bottom line is no matter what anyone says these days it's going to be pointed out as hypocritical.  

Beerman should be allowed to complain about Biden without us bringing up "but Trump".  Likewise Beerman should allow us to vent about Trump and conservatives without saying "liberal hypocrisy never ends".  

It's just not helpful and I understand it's my issue that I harp on but deal with it.  LOL

Nah. Beerman can complain about Trump AND we can compare Biden to Trump when considering honesty, integrity, policy, morality or efficacy of leadership...anything really that might be criticized about Biden.  Because it's important to question how someone can ignore Trump's obvious dishonest incompetence for 4 years and then all of a sudden find reasons to be outraged and angry now. 

Well, honestly, we know how and why this crap starts and persists...it's partisan political nonsense shouted around the right wing media to keep the gullible base inflamed over liberal leadership. There's little in terms of context or attention to accuracy or detail but the Republican voters don't worry much about those things. When their anxiety or fear is tweaked the conservative responds in predictable ways.  This reality is used by charlatans to manipulate groups of people.  

Just look at the conservative media content.  Political conservatives in America are willingly isolating themselves into media programming which intends to manipulate them with misinformation, nonsense, and emotional gobbly gook  That's why FOX uses language about hate so much. We've known about this for awhile.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

https://www.Google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/a-neuroscientist-explains-how-politicians-and-the-media-use-fear-to-make-us-hate-without-thinking-2019-07-18

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5 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The hypocrisy I brought up had nothing to do with Trump.  It was about a poster complaing and making condescending remarks about my anecdotal evidence on a topic.  When, the day before that protester provided their own anecdote, trying to prove that immigrants arent interested in causing trouble (which actually is irreverent to the border crisis, anyway).

Anyway, your point is made.

You bring up hypocrisy while engaging in hypocrisy and I still am not certain that you know what it means.  Your credibility suffers when it comes to consistency, credibility, correct usage of terms and ability to discern dishonest or corrupt behavior...as demonstrated over and over again in these threads.  

I'm not terribly troubled by your less than flattering opinion of me, I'm in some good and competent company in that regard. You think more highly of a corrupt, lying sexual predator who was twice impeached in a failed one term presidency than most other people in politics so...

LOL

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4 hours ago, Beerman said:

My comment was spurred on by your condescending remarks on my anecdote then it did the subject matter.  

The hypocrisy never stops with the liberal crowd.

I failed to attach the words below on my previous post about  the demise of journalism (newspapers) and the rise of the vanity driven newsletters that people take for news now and you will please note that these are words from a bona fide conservative who left the Republican party after Trump won.  This is from a 3/4/21 opinion piece:

Emily Bell of the Columbia Journalism School testified that new platforms have “democratized the distribution, circulation and monetization of media,” thereby demolishing the “gatekeeper” function formerly performed by print and broadcast media.

Today “the vast majority” of Americans get news through “online aggregators” (e.g., facebook, Youtube). The “low barriers to entry” into the “attention economy” mean that minority voices, formally dependent on “the intermediary powers of the old gatekeepers,” can cheaply create and distribute content.

The downside of this is that bad actors can exploit the capabilities of digital media faster than better actors can correct the torrent of misinformation, or worse.

Furthermore, the pandemic has, Bell says, accelerated malign developments by keeping people home and focused on nationally distributed news.

There have been more than 100 closures or mergers of local news outlets during the pandemic’s first 13 months, and now, Bell says, more than 1,800 communities “do not have their own source of local news.” Since 2004, 25% of local news providers and 50% of local journalists’ jobs have vanished, and since covid-19 arrived, advertising revenues “across newspaper groups” are down 42%.

Explaining one consequence of this, Bell cites “Ghosting the News,” a book by The Washington Post’s Margaret Sullivan: The decline of local news, and the increased reliance on national sources such as politically inflaming cable channels, correlate with a decline in ticket-splitting (dividing support among candidates from different parties) and a “retreat into tribal corners.”

There is, however, no government cure for what is, fundamentally, a problem with today’s consumers of journalism — too few readers and viewers insistent on quality and resistant to irresponsibility.

58 minutes ago, subee said:

I failed to attach the words below on my previous post about  the demise of journalism (newspapers) and the rise of the vanity driven newsletters that people take for news now and you will please note that these are words from a bona fide conservative who left the Republican party after Trump won.  This is from a 3/4/21 opinion piece:

Emily Bell of the Columbia Journalism School testified that new platforms have “democratized the distribution, circulation and monetization of media,” thereby demolishing the “gatekeeper” function formerly performed by print and broadcast media.

Today “the vast majority” of Americans get news through “online aggregators” (e.g., facebook, Youtube). The “low barriers to entry” into the “attention economy” mean that minority voices, formally dependent on “the intermediary powers of the old gatekeepers,” can cheaply create and distribute content.

The downside of this is that bad actors can exploit the capabilities of digital media faster than better actors can correct the torrent of misinformation, or worse.

Furthermore, the pandemic has, Bell says, accelerated malign developments by keeping people home and focused on nationally distributed news.

There have been more than 100 closures or mergers of local news outlets during the pandemic’s first 13 months, and now, Bell says, more than 1,800 communities “do not have their own source of local news.” Since 2004, 25% of local news providers and 50% of local journalists’ jobs have vanished, and since covid-19 arrived, advertising revenues “across newspaper groups” are down 42%.

Explaining one consequence of this, Bell cites “Ghosting the News,” a book by The Washington Post’s Margaret Sullivan: The decline of local news, and the increased reliance on national sources such as politically inflaming cable channels, correlate with a decline in ticket-splitting (dividing support among candidates from different parties) and a “retreat into tribal corners.”

There is, however, no government cure for what is, fundamentally, a problem with today’s consumers of journalism — too few readers and viewers insistent on quality and resistant to irresponsibility.

But what about common sense or just basic intelligence? 

There's nothing complicated about Cruz going to Cancun and leaving his constituents to sort themselves out and then blaming his daughter? 

I find it quite easy to guage someone's personality based on him telling his supporters to ignore masking or social distancing and then sneakily taking the vaccine. 

Hawley instigated an insurrection, McConnell stealing a Supreme Court seat then quickly installing three justices without proper vetting and the list goes on and on. 

Georgia voter suppression, Pennsylvania gerrymandering etc etc. 

Why is it so difficult to tell what criminals they are? 

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7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nah. Beerman can complain about Trump AND we can compare Biden to Trump when considering honesty, integrity, policy, morality or efficacy of leadership...anything really that might be criticized about Biden.  Because it's important to question how someone can ignore Trump's obvious dishonest incompetence for 4 years and then all of a sudden find reasons to be outraged and angry now. 

Well, honestly, we know how and why this crap starts and persists...it's partisan political nonsense shouted around the right wing media to keep the gullible base inflamed over liberal leadership. There's little in terms of context or attention to accuracy or detail but the Republican voters don't worry much about those things. When their anxiety or fear is tweaked the conservative responds in predictable ways.  This reality is used by charlatans to manipulate groups of people.  

Just look at the conservative media content.  Political conservatives in America are willingly isolating themselves into media programming which intends to manipulate them with misinformation, nonsense, and emotional gobbly gook  That's why FOX uses language about hate so much. We've known about this for awhile.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

https://www.Google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/a-neuroscientist-explains-how-politicians-and-the-media-use-fear-to-make-us-hate-without-thinking-2019-07-18

I can't tell you how to respond.  It's one thing, for example, we're talking about the current border issue to bring up how Trump dealt with it in 2019.  It's another to deflect to something off topic.   Likewise I as I pointed out many pages ago that when talking about something it was inappropriate to suddenly bring up Cuomo out of the blue.

 

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

The hypocrisy I brought up had nothing to do with Trump.  It was about a poster complaing and making condescending remarks about my anecdotal evidence on a topic.  When, the day before that protester provided their own anecdote, trying to prove that immigrants arent interested in causing trouble (which actually is irreverent to the border crisis, anyway).

Anyway, your point is made.

I would say that's fair to point out that he made an anecdotal and now isn't accepting yours.  

But the clap back about the broad stroke of "liberal hypocrisy never ends" was fair was well.  I think we lose each other when we make digs like that and your point is lost which is why you had to clarify it a couple of times.

I'm just as guilty and never mind having it pointed out.  

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Here is a good article about Biden and the border, not necessary passing judgement but just saying what's going on.   The administration is calling it "overwhelming" but not a "crisis" as some media is. 

I don't think there is any way for this to go well for Biden.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I can't tell you how to respond.  It's one thing, for example, we're talking about the current border issue to bring up how Trump dealt with it in 2019.  It's another to deflect to something off topic.   Likewise I as I pointed out many pages ago that when talking about something it was inappropriate to suddenly bring up Cuomo out of the blue.

 

I just responded according to what people commented.  Sometimes those comments that I respond to are off topic.  If I deflected then I'll try to do better, let me know if I changed the subject to migrant Hispanics, I don't think that I did but I did respond to a comment related to them. 

Our current border issue would be less of an issue if Trump hadn't broken the processes and policies that are necessary for humane and efficient immigration efforts. 

Trump Immigration Policy -WaPo

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As it turns out, the president didn’t need Congress after all. Without ever signing a single immigration law or completing his famous wall, Trump has cut the flow of foreigners by executive fiat. This fiscal year, the United States is on track to admit half the number of legal immigrants it did in 2016. This would bring levels of legal immigration down to what they were in 1987 — when the U.S. population was about a quarter smaller, substantially younger and less in need of working-age immigrants than it is today.

If this milestone has gone mostly unremarked, it’s by design. It has been achieved through backdoor, boring-sounding, bureaucratic decisions. Small-bore and esoteric though many of them are, collectively they have crippled the legal immigration system and choked the flow of newcomers into the United States. Through hundreds of administrative changes, the machinery of the U.S. immigration system has become even slower, more cruel and more absurd than it was before.

Does it work in Republican voting circles for the politicians to lie about the evils of government, work to break the government, and then blame the Democrats for trying to fix it again? It must. 

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42 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Here is a good article about Biden and the border, not necessary passing judgement but just saying what's going on.   The administration is calling it "overwhelming" but not a "crisis" as some media is. 

I don't think there is any way for this to go well for Biden.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613

That's what Trump and the republicans will work toward and tell us anyway...that this isn't going well for Biden.  We will, however,  be able to rest knowing that Biden won't be looking for cruel ways to punish desperate people for the audacity of thinking their hope was in this country.  

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