President Biden thread

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

https://popculture.com/sports/news/joe-biden-negro-league-gaffe-sparks-intense-controversy/?fbclid=IwAR10etnhwSbSTozxmDH0XAYqN5ntFTULbS_Eqdv61H3HotLKJuY6UTQwlCo

What about the east Indians that work at 7 11 and dunkin donuts? 

6 minutes ago, nursel56 said:

You said there was much more to the Confederacy than white people designating black people as property.

Anything you may have heard to the contrary originated with the wealthy elite in those states that seceded.  They knew their "peculiar institution" was repugnant to most civilized people by 1860 so they created distractions in the form of sham constitutional arguments and emotional appeals to home and family-- a ploy which worked as they needed to recruit thousands of poor white soldiers as cannon fodder.

I do not completly disagree. However, it isn't genuine to place sanctions on individuals, and judge them by today's standards when at that time it was not considered bad. (However many decided it was and fought a war to end it.). 

I would have to do some more research but I thought that Lee flipped his position? 

Anyway. If Dems want the past history of horrible things be known today, why are they litterally tearing down parts if history? I don't think people look at those states and are like, " yeah slavery is awesome "!. 

And where does it stop? All the way to Abe Lincoln ? 

8 hours ago, Cclm said:

What about the east Indians that work at 7 11 and dunkin donuts? 

I'm talking about his gaffe when talking about Pagie.  Can you clarify this change in topic and what you're asking me?  Was there a gaffe about East Indians?  There's so many with him I can't keep up.

3 hours ago, nursel56 said:

Growing up, honestly, I never thought of Lee as evil but I'd rather err on the side of caution in that regard, as in the present day I have an understanding of how offensive that might be to citizens whose families experienced the reality of slavery.

To me this is where I'm at.  I don't think that getting rid of the confederate flag or statues to confederate generals is "tearing down history" or disrespecting Southern heritage.  

Civil War history is being taught and won't be erased.  But we seem to be the only country where the defeated is glorified like this.  I always think of Germany as the example.  They are required to teach their history in all it's brutal truth but you don't see statues of Hitler and the Nazi flag.  

Ouch...

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For much of the fall, Joe Biden, members of his administration, and congressional Democrats lied to you. They lied to you because they think you’re stupid. They lied to you because they think you can’t do math and you don’t understand taxes, government spending, or debt. They lied to you because they believe that you don’t want to think too hard about all of those numbers, that you just want to get more free stuff from the government, and that you’ll believe somebody else will pay for it.

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-cbo-confirms-biden-lied/?fbclid=IwAR1vV95OKmN3Q8wvxhc0IIq6SaV074MW1x-wMOTZhREzvR_SXgP-YpZf1jM

It does highlight the conservative side that they are concerned more about the spending side and it's affect on the deficit and borrowing than they were about the revenue reduction in the form of their massive task cuts.  Studies have shown the tax cuts failed to deliver on their promises.  We we sold a pack of lies then too.

And so it goes.......

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

 

Its remarkable how Biden's racist comments are always just "gaffes".

Remarkable in what way? 

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

 

Its remarkable how Biden's racist comments are always just "gaffes".

Thanks for the clarification on the deflection to one subject I was posting about.  I believe the statement about the Pagie was a gaffe.  

The comment about East Asians is stereotyping.   Although he probably is making what he believes to be a true statement.  Just like here making the statement about nail salons being run by Asian immigrants is true, the contribution to society by East Asians is a bit more than Dunken Donuts.  He could have made a statement about their business savvy and contributions or something better.  

I remember Larry Bird getting flack for saying basketball is a black man's game, but ultimately most people ended up agreeing with him.  

I think Biden has a problem with saying what's in his mind and his heart spontaneously.  I see this as a weakness.

Sometimes I think as a society we are too harsh at nitpicking what people say rather than look for a deeper understanding.  We shoot from the hip.  Way off topic but an example recently is the flack recently that superstar actor Chris Pratt got recently for saying his wife gave him a healthy child.  It was part of a longer Instagram post about his love for his 2nd wife.  People took that one statement as a stab against his first wife whose child they had together has had health challenges.  They took a post from his heart about his love for his wife and got ugly about it.

I'll do the deflection tit for tat.  Trump was nitpicked incessantly and couldn't say anything right.

22 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Thanks for the clarification on the deflection to one subject I was posting about.  I believe the statement about the Pagie was a gaffe.  

The comment about East Asians is stereotyping.   Although he probably is making what he believes to be a true statement.  Just like here making the statement about nail salons being run by Asian immigrants is true, the contribution to society by East Asians is a bit more than Dunken Donuts.  He could have made a statement about their business savvy and contributions or something better.  

I remember Larry Bird getting flack for saying basketball is a black man's game, but ultimately most people ended up agreeing with him.  

I think Biden has a problem with saying what's in his mind and his heart spontaneously.  I see this as a weakness.

Sometimes I think as a society we are too harsh at nitpicking what people say rather than look for a deeper understanding.  We shoot from the hip.  Way off topic but an example recently is the flack recently that superstar actor Chris Pratt got recently for saying his wife gave him a healthy child.  It was part of a longer Instagram post about his love for his 2nd wife.  People took that one statement as a stab against his first wife whose child they had together has had health challenges.  They took a post from his heart about his love for his wife and got ugly about it.

I'll do the deflection tit for tat.  Trump was nitpicked incessantly and couldn't say anything right.

Clearly, there's not a deeply felt need to defend every "gaffe" or remark uttered by Biden which is waved around by Trump supporters. Most people who voted for Biden in order to remove Trump from power don't really care what Trump supporters are "concerned" about relative to Biden's language.  Many of them understand that the vast majority of concern and outrage felt by Trump supporters and consumers of the right wing media is manufactured and contrived for the purpose manipulating their emotions and feelings...and to create this false narrative that Trump isn't obviously and habitually a narcissistic liar. 

Social media amplification of divisive language and opinions is profitable for the social media platform.  The objective of social media is to increase participation in those exercises...the sharing of toxic opinion which incites emotional response from others. There's this notion among the poorly informed that every opinion is as valuable as another and that strongly held opinion is as valuable as facts, data or evidence. It's not surprising that toxic opinion on social media took something out of context and spun it ugly. That's the agenda. 

That's an entire industry in the era of conmen, grifters and charlatans...creating content to tickle the ears of the targeted audience.  There are tens of millions of Americans who WANT to believe that the next face or voice on Youtube or facebook or Twitter is really the expert on [fill in the blank] and the government is putting tracking molecules into vaccines in case you turn your phone off and they can't find you.  Or something. 

Millions of people decided 5 years ago that no matter what they saw or heard, their beliefs couldn't be swayed...not about corruption, character and not about power. We were formally introduced to "alternative facts" and the press was labeled fake news.  They set aside reality to believe a narrative from a liar...first it started with lies about crowd size which demonstrated the willingness of everyday people to ignore what they saw, then it expanded to ignore obvious abuse of power from the presidency.  These gullible believers are ripe to be manipulated by those opportunists  (the conmen, grifters and charlatans) because their media has prepared them to accept things without evidence.  Covid is an excellent example of this phenomenon.  The indoctrinated folk almost seem desperate in their search for an expert or authority in epidemiology and virology to cling to as they tell everyone else that the accountable experts can't be trusted.  That political mumbo jumbo bled easily and quickly into conservative public health policy and public statement.  How easily American conservatives became unconcerned about widespread illness, death and suffering from a pandemic.  How easily they dismissed the economic devastation from the poorly controlled pandemic. 

This thread is a good place for us to review and consider some of the frivolous fabrications and fanciful conservative thinking and media content that occupies the time of Trump supporters. 

Do you think that it's nitpicking to highlight presidential misconduct and dishonesty...things like nepotism and grifting while in office?

On 11/14/2021 at 4:54 PM, MunoRN said:

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On one side were both organized racist groups, and just general unaffiliated racists, all with a common purpose of continuing to support the confederacy, a group who's sole purpose was to continue to own blacks as slaves.  There were no good people on one of the sides, unless you don't really have a problem with people who still support slavery.

I agree that there were many white supremacist and racist groups present during the unite the right rally and statue removal protests.  However, to clarify, are you are stating that all of those protesting, regardless of membership in those organizations, are racist and they all support slavery?