President Biden thread

11 hours ago, nursel56 said:

I think Lee was sincere in his feelings of attachment to Virginia, which was functionally a country during the colonial period, and his family had deep roots in the military there.  

Grant was conciliatory toward Lee more than many other prominent  Confederate generals , such as Forrest-- an unrepentant sadist.

Nevertheless, I have no way to gauge what it must be like in the present day to see a statue honoring anyone who helped perpetuate a regime whose sole purpose was to protect the states who desired to keep the crime of slavery alive and make sure territories who wished to be granted statehood would also become slave states.

Growing up, honestly, I never thought of Lee as evil but I'd rather err on the side of caution in that regard, as in the present day I have an understanding of how offensive that might be to citizens whose families experienced the reality of slavery.

 

I agree. It should be decided by all the people who live there. 

7 hours ago, Tweety said:

I'm talking about his gaffe when talking about Pagie.  Can you clarify this change in topic and what you're asking me?  Was there a gaffe about East Indians?  There's so many with him I can't keep up.

The gaffe about east Indians was Biden in his earlier years. 

6 hours ago, Beerman said:

 

Its remarkable how Biden's racist comments are always just "gaffes".

Right?? 

3 hours ago, chare said:

I agree that there were many white supremacist and racist groups present during the unite the right rally and statue removal protests.  However, to clarify, are you are stating that all of those protesting, regardless of membership in those organizations, are racist and they all support slavery?

Are there white supremacists or racists that believe slavery was a problem?  What exactly were the violent prone individuals protesting about?  I believe that you would support neither so I am confused about your post. 

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Remarkable in what way? 

That it's just a gaffe for Biden but if Trump said something like that it would be Hitlers back and possesed Trump.... That's remarkable.  You can't be honest with yourself with the blatant hypocrisy and double standard, even far left radicals know it, will never admit but know non the less. 

15 minutes ago, subee said:

Are there white supremacists or racists that believe slavery was a problem?  What exactly were the violent prone individuals protesting about?  I believe that you would support neither so I am confused about your post [emphasis added]. 

Thank you for this.  My question for @MunoRN was in response to this post he wrote:

On 11/14/2021 at 4:54 PM, MunoRN said:

[...]

On one side were both organized racist groups, and just general unaffiliated racists, all with a common purpose of continuing to support the confederacy, a group who's sole purpose was to continue to own blacks as slaves.  There were no good people on one of the sides, unless you don't really have a problem with people who still support slavery [emphasis added].

All I'm asking is for him to answer the question he was asked.

4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Clearly, there's not a deeply felt need to defend every "gaffe" or remark uttered by Biden which is waved around by Trump supporters. Most people who voted for Biden in order to remove Trump from power don't really care what Trump supporters are "concerned" about relative to Biden's language.  Many of them understand that the vast majority of concern and outrage felt by Trump supporters and consumers of the right wing media is manufactured and contrived for the purpose manipulating their emotions and feelings...and to create this false narrative that Trump isn't obviously and habitually a narcissistic liar. 

Social media amplification of divisive language and opinions is profitable for the social media platform.  The objective of social media is to increase participation in those exercises...the sharing of toxic opinion which incites emotional response from others. There's this notion among the poorly informed that every opinion is as valuable as another and that strongly held opinion is as valuable as facts, data or evidence. It's not surprising that toxic opinion on social media took something out of context and spun it ugly. That's the agenda. 

That's an entire industry in the era of conmen, grifters and charlatans...creating content to tickle the ears of the targeted audience.  There are tens of millions of Americans who WANT to believe that the next face or voice on Youtube or facebook or Twitter is really the expert on [fill in the blank] and the government is putting tracking molecules into vaccines in case you turn your phone off and they can't find you.  Or something. 

Millions of people decided 5 years ago that no matter what they saw or heard, their beliefs couldn't be swayed...not about corruption, character and not about power. We were formally introduced to "alternative facts" and the press was labeled fake news.  They set aside reality to believe a narrative from a liar...first it started with lies about crowd size which demonstrated the willingness of everyday people to ignore what they saw, then it expanded to ignore obvious abuse of power from the presidency.  These gullible believers are ripe to be manipulated by those opportunists  (the conmen, grifters and charlatans) because their media has prepared them to accept things without evidence.  Covid is an excellent example of this phenomenon.  The indoctrinated folk almost seem desperate in their search for an expert or authority in epidemiology and virology to cling to as they tell everyone else that the accountable experts can't be trusted.  That political mumbo jumbo bled easily and quickly into conservative public health policy and public statement.  How easily American conservatives became unconcerned about widespread illness, death and suffering from a pandemic.  How easily they dismissed the economic devastation from the poorly controlled pandemic. 

This thread is a good place for us to review and consider some of the frivolous fabrications and fanciful conservative thinking and media content that occupies the time of Trump supporters. 

Do you think that it's nitpicking to highlight presidential misconduct and dishonesty...things like nepotism and grifting while in office?

 

No body would even care about what stupid low key racist things that come put of Bidens mouth. I personally do not think he's racist. A little ignorant but not racist. Before that was was thrown around like nothing, it meant a certain degree of thought and hate to be labeled as such. 

Imo Biden is experiencing mind trip. A process know in early to late dementia in which the person is living in a time gone by. Example is the use of the N word ending in 'ro'. It was politically correct at one point. No matter what context the left says he used it. 

However, you can not honestly deny that Trump is not judged more harsh than Biden. 

4 hours ago, chare said:

I agree that there were many white supremacist and racist groups present during the unite the right rally and statue removal protests.  However, to clarify, are you are stating that all of those protesting, regardless of membership in those organizations, are racist and they all support slavery?

Right? Even the POC protesting to keep statues up? They are racist white supremacists? 

26 minutes ago, subee said:

Are there white supremacists or racists that believe slavery was a problem?  What exactly were the violent prone individuals protesting about?  I believe that you would support neither so I am confused about your post. 

Not everyone there was a white supremacists, racist or anything .  Are you being willfully ignorant? Or anyone with an opposing opinion not that if yours or the far left are white supremacists? Even the POC wanting the statues to remain? Seriously? 

Do you not realize when you call everything and anything or anybody white supremacist, even black people( you actually pervert the word and strip it of its evil connotation? 

(Not saying you do specifically) 

It actually does a disservice to those that are actual victims of this or any evil group? 

It use to be that being called a nazi or a white supremacists meant something and the person on the receiving end did not want to be labeled as such. Even if they are racist. 

Now everyone is white supremist nazi racist and those words no longer hold any value to their true discusting meaning? 

Do you think that helps POC? Or anyone for that matter? 

43 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Imo Biden is experiencing mind trip. A process know in early to late dementia in which the person is living in a time gone by. Example is the use of the N word ending in 'ro'. It was politically correct at one point. No matter what context the left says he used it. 

Negros is the word you are looking for.  Biden, as you should now be very much aware, was referencing a sports league with the word negro in the title.  The word was used correctly, in correct context, in a non derogatory fashion.  What's particularly noteworthy is not that the POTUS mentioned The Negro League but that so many conservatives appear to be inflamed by the mention.  I would wager that's because of their media consumption which appears focused upon the frivolous and the fatuous.

9 hours ago, Tweety said:

To me this is where I'm at.  I don't think that getting rid of the confederate flag or statues to confederate generals is "tearing down history" or disrespecting Southern heritage.  

Civil War history is being taught and won't be erased.  But we seem to be the only country where the defeated is glorified like this.  I always think of Germany as the example.  They are required to teach their history in all it's brutal truth but you don't see statues of Hitler and the Nazi flag.  

I hear what you are saying and as usual you make a sound and reasonable point! 

Imo nothing compares to that evil discusting  POS Hitler. Although anyone at the time wanting to use humans as farm equipment is reprehensible, I do not feel the generals at the time were comparable to Hitler. He has his own evil place in history. 

Let the people who live there decide, if they feel the same, take them down. 

53 minutes ago, Cclm said:

However, you can not honestly deny that Trump is not judged more harsh than Biden.

Yeah, I can.  They are both judged according to what they say and do and one of them has lied more than any other American president in modern history while getting impeached twice and telling lies about the election that inspired an attack on Congress.  It's his own fault he's judged harshly. 

2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah, I can.  They are both judged according to what they say and do and one of them has lied more than any other American president in modern history while getting impeached twice and telling lies about the election that inspired an attack on Congress.  It's his own fault he's judged harshly. 

Sure.  Don't get pissy about people holding Biden to the same scrutiny.  Like calling them Trumpers or any another disparaging label you have created to discredit anyone for liking Trump. By virtue of liking Trump. 

Can you say the left wing media doesn't omit anything bad about Biden? Or social media?

R E A L L Y??

3 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Sure.  Don't get pissy about people holding Biden to the same scrutiny.  Like calling them Trumpers or any another disparaging label you have created to discredit anyone for liking Trump. By virtue of liking Trump. 

Can you say the left wing media doesn't omit anything bad about Biden? Or social media?

R E A L L Y??

LOL

Biden isn't held to the same scrutiny because Biden isn't a well known liar and cheat.  When a person is known to be dishonest, others tend to watch them more closely than if they are known to be amiable and friendly.  Every parent or member of management understands that you pay close attention to those who have already lied to you or betrayed a trust because it is likely predictive of future behavior. 

What left wing media are you talking about? Social media is promoting division and animus across all lines and groups. Those deeply engaged with social media feel deeply divided from other people who disagree on a variety of topics.