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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

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23 hours ago, Cclm said:

At least you admit it. Making decisions with the knowledge you had at the time doesn't equate to lying Was Fauchy lying when he said we didn't need masks in the beginning? Is he responsible for all the people who died because he said no masks  were needed at first? No. Of course not. Might I remind you he was also advising Trump at the time. 

One life is too many? How about the service men and civilians killed during a botched clown show evacuation? Is Biden responsible for that? 

Or the aid worker killed along with civilians including children in the stupid drone strike? 

Was Biden responsible for any of those? That evacuation botched job was 100 percent predictable and avoidable. Trump didn't know we would go into a pandemic. 

So ask yourself who's the worse liar! Try to ask Biden! We don't know what he has to say, he won't take questions and hasn't even addressed the nation for his drone murder job!! 

100% without a doubt Trump is the worst liar.  I think we only scratched the surface of his lies.

However, Trump is not President and I don't want to talk about him.

But yes, the military dropped a bombshell when they say they advised Biden to stay in Afghanistan and he earlier said no one did.  

Ultimately he has over and over defended the withdrawal as the right thing to do and taken responsibility for it saying "the buck stops with me".  

 

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11 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 

Deflection.   But we can't help ourselves.  

But seriously, Trump supporters calling someone a liar when Trump is the primary and loudest voice in the GOP is a bit much.  It's reasonable to call that projection and raise it by a deflection or two because there is no intention to discuss policy in the claim that Biden is a liar. 

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

But seriously, Trump supporters calling someone a liar when Trump is the primary and loudest voice in the GOP is a bit much.  It's reasonable to call that projection and raise it by a deflection or two because there is no intention to discuss policy in the claim that Biden is a liar. 

It seems to be the one's not wanting to discuss that Biden is a liar were the two that made the deflection.  Just sayin'

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3 minutes ago, Tweety said:

It seems to be the one's not wanting to discuss that Biden is a liar were the two that made the deflection.  Just sayin'

So we should discuss the merits of the propaganda? Biden isn't a liar, there's not much to discuss.  

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3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So we should discuss the merits of the propaganda? Biden isn't a liar, there's not much to discuss.  

Then discuss that generals contradict Biden.  Of course the first thing people want to believe is that Biden lied.  (I'll deflect:   when it was Trump and his top administration were contradicting him it was a "witch hunt". LOL)

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

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14 minutes ago, Tweety said:

100% without a doubt Trump is the worst liar.  I think we only scratched the surface of his lies.

However, Trump is not President and I don't want to talk about him.

But yes, the military dropped a bombshell when they say they advised Biden to stay in Afghanistan and he earlier said no one did.  

Ultimately he has over and over defended the withdrawal as the right thing to do and taken responsibility for it saying "the buck stops with me".  

 

Technically Biden said his military advisors were "split" on whether to leave troops, but either way he clearly could have been more transparent in the difference between what he was advised and what he ultimately decided.  He's often asked questions and then gets annoyed that he should have to answer questions, which isn't acceptable.

But ultimately he should have just explained why he made the decision, which I agree was the correct decision.

It was a bad recommendation to leave 2500 troops in Afghanistan, I agree with Trump when he opposed the recommendation and same for Biden.  

Leaving a force that would serve no other purpose other than to be target practice for the various insurgent groups including the Taliban would have been a bad idea.

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14 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Then discuss that generals contradict Biden.  Of course the first thing people want to believe is that Biden lied.  (I'll deflect:   when it was Trump and his top administration were contradicting him it was a "witch hunt". LOL)

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

I did discuss it.  I watched the general's testimony and the interview.  Biden didn't lie but some people are characterizing it as a lie and evidence that Biden is a liar.  I'm not alone in not being in agreement with the characterization or the relative importance of what was said.  

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12 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Technically Biden said his military advisors were "split" on whether to leave troops, but either way he clearly could have been more transparent in the difference between what he was advised and what he ultimately decided.  He's often asked questions and then gets annoyed that he should have to answer questions, which isn't acceptable.

Yeah. He wasn't specific enough. 

Biden is a pretty affable fellow but he does get annoyed by some questions.  All politicians are annoyed by some questions by the press at some time.  That's why the free press is important to our country.  

Having said that, some of the questions from the press are pretty annoying.  

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On 9/30/2021 at 1:32 PM, Cclm said:

Actually I didn't like him at first. Thought he was a lying creep. However I learned he was being misrepresented in several ways at  several times. 

All politicians lie. It's a given. I wouldn't even consider it a big deal except this one with Biden is pretty big! 

Otherwise I wouldn't even mention it but I have to call out the hypocrisy.  

All politicians shade the truth.

We have two main political parties and something like 160 million unique people who chose to vote in the last election.  Obviously, they don't agree with each other on the specific actions they favor on some pretty major policy issues, even if the framework of their political philosophy is in agreement. 

Like it or not, would-be politicians are taught to finesse, deflect, change the subject, and I'm sure other strategies in order to appeal to a certain subgroup within their major party.  This doesn't disappear when they are now serving in a government position.

It's almost like a playbook.  Candidates play to the extreme left or right in the primaries, and play to the center in the general election.

I don't call that lying.

Using the word "lie" was almost unheard of in journalism because they understood the seriousness of the word and did not apply it to the gamesmanship of political campaigns.

They went through what I call contrived angst when they decided to use the headline "Trump lied", rather than some fuzzier version of the word.

I think the storyline would not exist if not for Trump supporters whataboutism, which I do understand, and think likely the other side would do the same under the circumstances.

 

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31 minutes ago, nursel56 said:

 

I think the storyline would not exist if not for Trump supporters whataboutism, which I do understand, and think likely the other side would do the same under the circumstances

Bold mine.  

I'm not certain that I agree with that. Truth is important.  Maybe I'm too removed from social media, but I don't know any liberals personally who would make excuses for obvious lying or elevate a politician after disqualifying character flaws have been revealed. 

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5 hours ago, Tweety said:

100% without a doubt Trump is the worst liar.  I think we only scratched the surface of his lies.

However, Trump is not President and I don't want to talk about him.

But yes, the military dropped a bombshell when they say they advised Biden to stay in Afghanistan and he earlier said no one did.  

Ultimately he has over and over defended the withdrawal as the right thing to do and taken responsibility for it saying "the buck stops with me".  

 

He once said that the buck stops with him.  But his actions say otherwise.

When he doesn't follow the advice that at least some of the military leaders gave him, and the withdrawal becomes a mess, and then he says he never got said advice, he really isn't living up to that statement, is he?

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3 minutes ago, Beerman said:

He once said that the buck stops with him.  But his actions say otherwise.

When he doesn't follow the advice that at least some of the military leaders gave him, and the withdrawal becomes a mess, and then he says he never got said advice, he really isn't living up to that statement, is he?

The withdrawl is no less of a mess by leaving 2500 troops to get picked off one by one.

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