President Biden thread

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

There was some building up of a German sentiment and way of thinking that preceded the obvious horrors that you mention.  For a period of time the nazis were just angry men/people with an ideology and desire to share that.  How do you think the 3rd Reich came into power? I can recommend a good book. 

Absolutely and that's what I was trying to say when you accused me of  comparing the plight of white men to jews. 

The ideology preceeded the travesty. 

3 hours ago, Cclm said:

Comparing American voters to that of Nazis you negate everything you have just said. You also cheapen the atrocities committed by Nazis to the Jewish when you callously throw that name around. Do you even know what Nazis are and what they have done? You are telling me that millions of Americans are Nazis? 

Nazis do not vote, peacefully protest, or even do insurrections. They kill, maim, rape and murder anyone that went against them. 

Figure it out. 

My family came here to get out of Germany because they saw the writing on the wall. My husband went to a Summer camp for kids of holocaust survivors ..except for he and his sister. And I hd. Fox and Trump loving neifjbor who reminded me that his father worked in a concentration camp.  And there you go with your gaslighting and lying.  Read my post the try to think...it's not illegal yet. 

1 hour ago, nursel56 said:

Even though nobody asked me specifically, I'll chime in . . . but I preface this by pointing out that I'm old enough to remember when CNN was the only cable news channel and that I did not watch until they covered the 1991 Iraq War (Desert Storm)

I've been reading and participating in politics "bulletin boards" since the days of the Rush Limbaugh Forum on Compuserve. 

I remember when MSNBC started, their set looked like a couple of folding chairs and a card table.  Mary Matalin (highly partisan Republican) hosted a show.  At the time I believed the media in general had a decidedly liberal bias, but not consciously so.  

When Fox News started their slogan was "We report. You decide."  It seemed to me at the time a much needed perspective, and their presenters and show hosts reported pretty fairly, though with a right wing tilt.

The above is simply not the case anymore.  It's all about entertainment, triggering, clickbait, remote-control button bait, with words like "slammed", "bombshell" etc. universally misused.

I'll watch Fox clips occasionally, MSNBC less often, but Fox has now entered a territory where they became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Trump presidency, taking their top news stories at his direction, amplifying and co-signing his lies.  I only wish they could be held accountable for that novel use of a private corporation.

If you want your news served straight up, your best choices are Reuters, AP News, Sky News, BBC.  If you have time, go to CSPAN. If you don't trust Google, try Yahoo News as an aggregator and choose your source.  PBS is great, but I understand it has a lot of baggage in the minds of Republicans.

I hate to see it now, but my father was an newsman for the Associated Press and he woukdn be happy to see how slanted they are, IMHO.  I think their ledes are packed with judgement and their standards have fallen.  My sister is a journalist  and is also disturbed by what the AP has become and she's more liberal than I am. 

On 9/23/2021 at 11:13 AM, Cclm said:

History is an amazing thing. Recent history clearly demonstrates that Trump is a liar unmatched in current politics.

Yes it . Including accusing  certain races of oppression and perpetrators of ones suffering on group. Sounds just like Nazi Germany. Just change white man to Jew. 

Do you remember that excerpt? Out of the blue you made that inappropriate comparison.  

Now this:

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Absolutely and that's what I was trying to say when you accused me of  comparing the plight of white men to jews. 

The ideology preceeded the travesty. 

White men are in no way now and have at no time in our history been oppressed in the United States. What did your bolded statement do if not put white men in a position of comparison to the oppressed germanic jews? 

12 hours ago, nursel56 said:

I'm sorry to hear that.  I used them extensively during the 2020 election as they seemed to have the most current numbers and understandable graphics.  I should have familiarized myself with the rest of their content before including them.

I think they are fine for the numbers.  You can't editorialize them.  But if you review their headlines about Trump, I found them lacking in standards of journalism.  Don't get me wrong...they agreed with me:)  But, nevertheless, it's not their duty to judge; it's merely to report.

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Is Biden a liar, or suffering from dementia? He doesn't recall getting advice to keep troops in Afghanistan.

"Testimony by Gen Mark Milley and Gen Frank McKenzie to Congress seemed to contradict President Joe Biden, who said he did not recall any such advice."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58719834

Of course, if you rely on the NYT, you wouldn't know that Biden denied getting such advice.  No mention of it at all.  Although, they were sure to make mention of "another chaotic chapter in the Trump administration", which of course has nothing to do with the hearing that took place yesterday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/milley-senate-hearing-afghanistan.html

Over at the WaPo, I couldn't get past the firewall, but the headline is something like "Generals refuse to blame Biden".

I'm guessing that you didn't listen to either the interview or the hearings...I listened to both.  President Biden's remarks were mischaracterized by republican legislators, in my view.  Yeah, the generals stuck to the facts and avoided the traps that people like Matt Gaetz thought that they were setting regarding Biden's comments. 

6 minutes ago, Beerman said:

A reasonable person doesn't need the generals to fall into the traps.  If you heard the interview, and then the generals, it's apparent Biden didn't follow their advice.  And because of that, Americans died.

And, he lied about not receiving their advice.

It's not his job to follow their advice. They operate within a framework of the military. He operates within the framework of whatever is best for the country. You always have to be looking at the big picture. 

Republicans came off as not remotely interested in the truth as much as blaming Biden. This was always trump's idea to remove the troops from Afghanistan which I totally agreed with except he's such an incompetent person and chose such useless people to represent America, that of course like everything else he's done, it's a debacle and a failure! 

It's a wonder he didn't offer to buy Afghanistan but then he actually doesn't know how valuable it is or decided to draw some boundaries, giving Afghanistan to India or something. 

Dude, you support a failed party who's now doubling down on their failures as if everyone is as stupid as they are and can't differentiate? It's like Manchin and Sinema, they are such morons that apparently they think that we are all fooled. 

Unless Biden is hidden some major skeletons, he's going to break them and their future is ruined! People voted for Biden, not either of those two losers! They think that they are being mavericks but in reality they are making enemies up the Yazoo! 

It's the trump effect. Go against him and get primaried! 

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

A reasonable person doesn't need the generals to fall into the traps.  If you heard the interview, and then the generals, it's apparent Biden didn't follow their advice.  And because of that, Americans died.

And, he lied about not receiving their advice.

No, it's not apparent and that's not what any of the testimony indicated.  

You are welcome to believe that Biden lied about it.