President Biden thread

17 hours ago, Cclm said:

Do you watch CNN? What is your main source? I'm asking honestly because I would like to see and challenge my own positions. 

Just abandon ALL cable news networks because that's not the news - it's commentary on the news.  Stick with BBC (they are not selling viagra or gold to their audiences:)  I like The Week - editorial positions from around the world from all points of view.  

2 minutes ago, subee said:

Just abandon ALL cable news networks because that's not the news - it's commentary on the news.  Stick with BBC (they are not selling viagra or gold to their audiences:)  I like The Week - editorial positions from around the world from all points of view.  

I've not read  The Week. I'll check it out. 

1 hour ago, subee said:

Just abandon ALL cable news networks because that's not the news - it's commentary on the news.  Stick with BBC (they are not selling viagra or gold to their audiences:)  I like The Week - editorial positions from around the world from all points of view.  

I listen to NPR's 5 minute podcast, and BBC's 20 minute podcast when I can.  I find them to be informative without agenda.  I also look at our local paper's website and it tends to be pretty matter of fact and will present the good, bad and the ugly.  

I don't have cable but when I do see it, it does seem to be a lot of commentary and round table discussions.  I used to like the Morning Joe show on MSNBC.  It was skewed liberal but there were some Republicans often heard from.  

23 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No.  I don't have cable television.  I have subscriptions to the WaPo and the NYT and I read Reuters and AP, etc. I do watch the Sunday morning news programming on ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX that's available on either free TV or Youtube. I watch PBS and 60 minutes. 

I have time to listen to Press briefings and public remarks when they are available to stream.  I often have some very nerdy content streaming in the background as I do my chores...congressional hearings, chamber debate and the like.  

I don't get my information from television, radio or social media. I stopped visiting facebook since January 6...it's a hotbed of destructive algorithms and propaganda. I like to read.  I've always had a soft spot for nonfiction.  

Those sources you listed are just as bias as you claim fox News is. Wapo not. Reuters so so as well as AP 

On 9/27/2021 at 5:57 AM, subee said:

Once you use the "all" you negate everything else in your post with your angry spittle and are just lying.  But I have  watched the Trump rallies on TV and if you substituted the Nazi flag for the American flag, the groups and the speakers appear very similar.  No ideas for problem solving but rather, please the cause of the problems on someone else.  They were also intentional superspreaders because he has no empathy for his own followers (and followers those sheep are).  Very few "businessmen" are educated in public policy or anything else.  I only know that because I spent a year in a graduate business program.  Very interesting but nothing of the caliber of knowledge needed to participate in government.  If that were true, Trump would probably have been re-elected.

Comparing American voters to that of Nazis you negate everything you have just said. You also cheapen the atrocities committed by Nazis to the Jewish when you callously throw that name around. Do you even know what Nazis are and what they have done? You are telling me that millions of Americans are Nazis? 

Nazis do not vote, peacefully protest, or even do insurrections. They kill, maim, rape and murder anyone that went against them. 

Figure it out. 

35 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Those sources you listed are just as bias as you claim fox News is. Wapo not. Reuters so so as well as AP 

As for "super spreaders"? I'll but that when you consider 1000 of people coming through the border unvaccinated are super spreaders 

59 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Those sources you listed are just as bias as you claim fox News is. Wapo not. Reuters so so as well as AP 

That's not true.  I would challenge you to provide a source which compares the accuracy or bias of Fox News favorably to WaPo, Reuters or AP.  

As an aside? While extreme bias of a media source certainly can and often does erode the quality and accuracy of the overall content, bias is secondary to accuracy.  Factually correct information delivered with biased language is still factually correct.  Sometimes with obviously biased sources you have to wade through too much titilation and inflammation to get to the facts to suit my preferences.  Stick with accurate sources.  

54 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Comparing American voters to that of Nazis you negate everything you have just said. You also cheapen the atrocities committed by Nazis to the Jewish when you callously throw that name around. Do you even know what Nazis are and what they have done? You are telling me that millions of Americans are Nazis? 

Nazis do not vote, peacefully protest, or even do insurrections. They kill, maim, rape and murder anyone that went against them. 

Figure it out. 

There was some building up of a German sentiment and way of thinking that preceded the obvious horrors that you mention.  For a period of time the nazis were just angry men/people with an ideology and desire to share that.  How do you think the 3rd Reich came into power? I can recommend a good book. 

55 minutes ago, Cclm said:

As for "super spreaders"? I'll but that when you consider 1000 of people coming through the border unvaccinated are super spreaders 

Sure...I guess. There is policy that has been explained and it's pretty clear that Alaska or Udaho is not in crisis medical mode because of the border, but OK. 

 Trump changed the news scene.  He labeled anything he didn't like as "Fake News".

I think a lot of new organizations like CNN, Washington Post and New York Times particularly went after Trump in their reporting style during the Trump administration.  They weren't wrong and were reporting truth, but there was a decidedly anti-Trump sentiment to their reporting.   

Obviously the same can be said about Fox News.  They don't necessarily report things that are untrue, but clearly it's a Republican and anti-Biden agenda.

"1000 of people" coming through the border surely can spread covid. Science does say that overcrowded conditions where social distancing isn't possible can spread covid.  It's too bad the US is so unvaccinated that they'd rather die and blame immigrants that get a vaccine, but I digress. 

Governor DeSantis of Florida,  who seems to be catching the eyes of former Trump campaign donators, is playing into their hands by suing Biden over his border policy.

I think he knows that Haitians like Florida and already has a huge number of Haitians here and wants to keep them out.  Although Florida really could use some immigrants to ease the low paying jobs in housekeeping and kitchens where there are shortages of workers.  

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/florida-sues-biden-administration-immigration-policy-80287924

Biden is in a lose/lose situation.  Mexico won't take them back, if he leaves them the at the border he gets blamed for deplorable conditions, but providing release isn't working, and he can't deport them fast enough.