President Biden thread

27 minutes ago, chare said:

Is this the article you're referring to: Biden administration increases border deportations and prosecutions to deter migration?

It amazes me, that the oft repeated expectation those on the right source their claims doesn't seem to apply to those on the left

Yes

50 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I also don't see anything about detainees refusing vaccines.

I wish I could find a source, but I read somewhere that about 70% are saying yes to the vaccine. I'm not sure what population this was.  Higher than most states.

There has been many articles about accessibility of the vaccines to this segment.  This would be a Biden administration problem.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/

Bottom line for me is that Covid is a huge problem right now and the border is an issue, but the main issue is biological in that it's a variant and there was vaccine hesitancy leading to hospitalizations far away from the border.  I'm not saying we shouldn't tackle the covid border issue, but scapegoating the migrants doesn't sit will with me.  

6 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I wish I could find a source, but I read somewhere that about 70% are saying yes to the vaccine. I'm not sure what population this was.  Higher than most states.

There has been many articles about accessibility of the vaccines to this segment.  This would be a Biden administration problem.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/

Bottom line for me is that Covid is a huge problem right now and the border is an issue, but the main issue is biological in that it's a variant and there was vaccine hesitancy leading to hospitalizations far away from the border.  I'm not saying we shouldn't tackle the covid border issue, but scapegoating the migrants doesn't sit will with me.  

Scapegoating immigrants is expected from social conservatives. 

Blaming Immigrants in Times of Sickness

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The popular narratives about race have often been tied to differences in physical health and intelligence, as Molina noted after an audience member asked about the role of eugenics in shaping these stories. Lee pointed to the Ku Klux Klan and its reliance on myths of physical and mental disparities between races as a method of enforcing racial segregation and white supremacy, to maintain an “America for Americans.”

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In another context, purported differences in physical constitution encouraged agricultural and railroad construction employers to hire Mexicans. Molina explained that people in the United States believed Mexicans to be biologically different: their bodies, it was said, could withstand 110-degree Fahrenheit heat better and produce more work in the fields. But when the Great Depression rolled around, those same workers became economic scapegoats, and characterized as immigrants who were taking jobs away from native-born Americans. During this period, racist notions created the medical myth that portrayed Mexican workers as more susceptible to diseases like tuberculosis and led to charges that they would burden the nation’s healthcare system.

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I found the article the first time he/she mentioned it earlier this week.  But since it in no way backed up the claim that "deportations are higher then ever", how would one know that is the article she had it n mind?  Only today when the headline was also included did I realize that was what he/she meant.

Yes.  Constantly.  Not to mention, among other things,  has said I don't know what deportation means, and that I have a "inability to read".

Gotcha while I do think "constantly" is an exaggeration I do remember someone, besides me, giving you a hard time for not sourcing your claims.

I acknowledge the poster's unnecessary rudeness towards you when you asked a reasonable question.

I do agree with you that the claim "deportations are higher than ever" is not necessarily a true statement as we don't have the benefit of time and looking at the data of what's happening now and add it up.  The Obama years had the most apprehensions and deportations from what I can remember. 

There are a lot of things to consider such as the Great Recession, Corona virus, and the switch from migrants from Mexico to primarily Central America, etc.  

It might be reasonable to expect that as we look back at this time it might become the period with the most deportations, given that's a period of great migration.  

I guess the overall point should be that deportations are occurring and Biden is not as is feared "an open border" President, despite initially advocating for a 100 day moratorium on deportation.  But perhaps in the context of only the Biden administration "deportations are higher than ever" since the beginning of 2021 might be true??

On 8/27/2021 at 3:32 PM, subee said:

So you are OK with Kamala Harris being president?  Hmmmm. Interesting.  Just because one searches for a word doesn't mean that person in incompetent.  It happens to older people because we have SO MUCH STUFF in our heads.  I just took the Nurses' Health recent study on our neuro functioning and did worst on the little screen with a bunch of bounding balls pinging off the walls and then trying to recall which ones were green before they started the movement.  That one made me cross-eyed.  BUT I scored very high with sustained concentration (which I already knew was my mental forte...the only one I have left:).  Now, I have a friend who's kid worked in a past election with some Biden people and even back then when Biden was young, I thought he spent way too much time with he foot in his mouth..even back in the 90's.  But he doesn't hire borderline criminal grifters for cabinet offices and is perfectly competent to grind the wheels of government (like let's get some more IRS agents).  He has a moral compass.  We survived 4 years of a maniac.  We will survive with Biden in much better shape than Trump left us.  I'm a little nervous about all the money the Dems are spending but at least it's going to people who will be paying taxes on it as opposed to already wealthy people who just put it in the bank and never spend it..  And the trillions of dollar this pandemic-that-didn't-have-to-be-like-this continues to spread because of the government's lies.  Do ya think when Trump's supporters booed him in Alabama, thought for a moment "What have I wrought?".  nah, he just hoped that Alabama fried chicken was coming for dinner.

What's wrong with having too much in your head. Lots to cross reference and arrive at the right conclusion. IMO, older people rock! 

You guys are so laid back and patient. You've seen it before and you pick your moments. Nothing beats experience! 

I'd rather hang anyday with an older experienced person than people my age! You know just what to order, what to say and you never get flustered. I learn so much more and you guys are just seriously, cool!! 

1 hour ago, Curious1997 said:

What's wrong with having too much in your head. Lots to cross reference and arrive at the right conclusion. IMO, older people rock! 

You guys are so laid back and patient. You've seen it before and you pick your moments. Nothing beats experience! 

I'd rather hang anyday with an older experienced person than people my age! You know just what to order, what to say and you never get flustered. I learn so much more and you guys are just seriously, cool!! 

...and younger people have fresh education and the latest knowledge and have much to teach older people.  Also younger people feel the effects of policy sometimes more acutely than older because they just starting out, just starting families and have young children and older people should be sensitive to that experience.  

Just wish generations would respect each other.  But there's always been a disconnect.  I grew up hearing my generation was selfish and too lazy to work.  But our parents won a world war so we had to shut up.  LOL

  It's interesting that now my generation raised a generation and we are saying the same thing to them.  LOL

22 hours ago, subee said:

How old are you...14?

I forgot to mention. The WH called me back and said I should forward any safety concerns to the Taliban because Joe said they are in charge of security now. The Taliban said they could not look into my report because they are too busy hunting down and killing the US citizens on the list Biden gave them. They also mentioned that they are very busy marring child brides and performing female circumcision.  They are spending more time on talking to women without beating killing and raping them. 

Good news they said there no worries with Joe because Jill is a "docto",. Jill would have called me back herself but she was busy with Hunter's prostitution Crack laptops again. 

BDS or "Biden Derangement Syndrome" is the viral spreading of falsehoods and believing them to be true.  

The one with dementia that hates America  and doesn't care about our troops and is letting criminals from the border in to spread covid...on and on.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/30/politics/fact-check-biden-dover-afghanistan-kabul/index.html

Another example of spreading falsehoods is Rand Paul claiming scientist won't study horse-worming drug because of "hatred of Trump".  

The CDC and FDA are not recommending it at this time.  He doesn't like them and what they are saying.  

Because he doesn't like what he hears he makes up a falsehood when the truth is that scientists are indeed studying this medication and it's the trial phase and not proven scientifically to help or to be safe yet.  It might help but we don't know yet.  

https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initiatives/activ/covid-19-therapeutics-prioritized-testing-clinical-trials#activ6

https://www.principletrial.org

21 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Another example of spreading falsehoods is Rand Paul claiming scientist won't study horse-worming drug because of "hatred of Trump".  

The CDC and FDA are not recommending it at this time.  He doesn't like them and what they are saying.  

Because he doesn't like what he hears he makes up a falsehood when the truth is that scientists are indeed studying this medication and it's the trial phase and not proven scientifically to help or to be safe yet.  It might help but we don't know yet.  

https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initiatives/activ/covid-19-therapeutics-prioritized-testing-clinical-trials#activ6

https://www.principletrial.org

Doesn't it seem like there is an over abundance of overt dishonesty in conservative politics today? Do conservative politicians feel that the conservative media protect their voters from learning the truth or do they think that truth doesn't matter to their voters?

Maybe it's a combination.  

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Doesn't it seem like there is an over abundance of overt dishonesty in conservative politics today? Do conservative politicians feel that the conservative media protect their voters from learning the truth or do they think that truth doesn't matter to their voters?

Maybe it's a combination.  

Sadly it's a combination but I think it's lead by people really not caring about the truth.  Trump started with "I've had the largest inauguration crowd in history" which was easily disputed by any lay person with Google.  Did his supporters stop and Google and find the truth?  No, they accepted it and then went on to believe much of what he said.  We didn't have the term "fake news" or "alternative facts" until the last four years and honesty doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.  As I've said many times this has baffled me.  

It's one thing to be very religious, anti-abortion, pro-business, pro-military, anti-taxation, anti-deficit spending, and pro-gun or any of the other conservative issues that make one conservative.  It's another to support people that have an agenda of dishonesty and not even care that they are being dishonest.  They go beyond holding people like the CDC or the media accountable to branding them fake.  

I can perhaps say that Trump was the epitome of this, but like I've said before it's alive and well in people like Rand Paul who invent the idea that scientists aren't studying this drug as a covid treatment when they are.   

My hospital again put out stats today that the overwhelming majority of people in our hospital system are unvaccinated but someone not liking what they hear told me that was BS.  How is it that they know this?  How is it that every hospital in multiple parts of the world have gotten together to fool the people on purpose.  How does this make sense to them in their head?  

I appreciate questioning, challenging and holding people accountable and digging deeper.  I certainly don't mind digging and being proven wrong.  It's okay, I can handle the truth if it's the truth.    It's really not that hard to do when you hear something outrageous to you, but you also have to stop and think "okay, on this point they are correct...most hospitalizations are indeed unvaccinated people".   But people aren't willing to do that.  Rand Paul wasn't willing to do that, and people are going to hear his rhetoric.

On an off note, a 30 year old that protested masks in Texas took the drug and died of covid anyway. His wife is carrying his second child.  I certainly am smart enough to not say "see it doesn't work" but it sometimes seems that's the mindset of people these days.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/29/texas-caleb-wallace-anti-mask-protests-freedom-dies-covid-19

Sorry for the long rant.