The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
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10 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
I'm at a loss that the primary issue is the parents behavior and their political affiliation, not the fact that the book had those vulgar illustrations in the school library. And the lack of concern of how it got there.
The issue isn't one book with controversial drawings and the shared articles provide evidence and discussion to support that. The issue is widespread conservative concern about books that has too many conservatives angry and shouting right wing rhetoric and demands that all manner of books be removed from libraries... often based upon out of context excerpts and misrepresentations.
There is no argument that Media should be allowed in schools. There is argument as to whether books should be removed from libraries because they offend some. There is argument that angry and agitated behavior at meetings is not the way to effect change in a civilized society. I mean, some liberals got Huck Finn out of some libraries without blowing up public meetings.
The issue is widespread conservative concern about books that has too many conservatives angry and shouting right wing rhetoric and demands that all manner of books be removed from libraries... often based upon out of context excerpts and misrepresentations.
"out of context excerpts and misrepresentations" that you still have not provided one example of.
Either you don't know of any, or your only source of any is in the left wing media that for some reason you are embarrassed to cite.
Everyone knows that child sexual abuse happens. Unfortunately everywhere. School church etc.
I find protecting children is more successful when ee discuss how to prevent it, not throw around who did what and focus on where it happened.
This is an obvious deflection and not the topic of the thread. Another attempt to try and cast conservatives in a bad light, as conservatives are considered mostly Christian.
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You must not actually read my comments. If you had you would understand that two of the Muslims at that Dearborn meeting are my relatives and they identify as social and political conservatives.
No one except you said or implied that only angry MAGAphiles were at the meeting. Not all conservatives are MAGAphiles.
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2 hours ago, Beerman said:
"out of context excerpts and misrepresentations" that you still have not provided one example of.
Either you don't know of any, or your only source of any is in the left wing media that for some reason you are embarrassed to cite.
It seems like the reporting reflects that the vast majority of the complaints and concerns are not shared by the larger community and do not result in removal of the literature from the schools. I would think that if the examples and excerpts presented in those settings were not sufficient to convince the other parents or the education professionals then there is good chance that they were taken out of context or misrepresentations.
I've provided some citations. Maybe you could share some of the left wing reporting that you believe influences my opinions and we could discuss them.
PEN America has identified at least 50 groups working at local, state and national levels advocating for books to be removed from school curriculums and school library shelves. According to the report, this is a relatively recent occurrence. Many of the groups, such as Moms for Liberty, began in 2021.
The American Library Association also put out a report late last week that indicates challenges to books continue to rise. Based on their records, 1,651 unique titles were targeted between January and August this year — in 681 attempts to ban or restrict library resources. The ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom counted 729 challenges to library, school, and university materials in all of 2021 — which rose four fold from the prior year.
The ALA also points to more conservative political groups pushing to ban books in schools and libraries across the country. According to the ALA report, the actions from these groups are mostly focused on YA books involving race, gender, and sexual identity — echoing the findings from the PEN America study.
Why does the focus seem to be on books involving race, gender and sexual identity? Race, gender and sexual matters are a part of the real world. Kids benefit from age appropriate literature to expand their world view and develop sense of self and community.
"out of context excerpts and misrepresentations" that you still have not provided one example of.
Either you don't know of any, or your only source of any is in the left wing media that for some reason you are embarrassed to cite.
To provide examples one would have to present the whole book.
Just like you and others said the video in the OP was "heavily edited" and doesn't represent the bigger picture and you'd have to watch the entire meeting and a bunch of other meetings, I think what some of us are saying is that the examples of sex that are provided are not taken in context of the greater novel and the novel itself isn't Mediaography. I think taking some passages out of books and labeling them Mediaography and grooming of young people to a deviant lifestyle doesn't sit well.
Lawn Boy is profanity laden and a bit rough with its sexual flashbacks. It get that, but I wouldn't call it "Mediaography". I wouldn't' be bothered it a committee decided raised the age out of high school. I also think that somehow books monitoring at the school level should be better. A 14 year old whom even the writer says is too young shouldn't have been able to check out that book.
BTW, I'm taking a break from politics and taking a vacation to Costa Rica today. I'll have internet access of course, but going to check out for a bit. I won't revisit this topic as I've said I need. Carry on.
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42 minutes ago, Tweety said:
To provide examples one would have to present the whole book.
Just like you and others said the video in the OP was "heavily edited" and doesn't represent the bigger picture and you'd have to watch the entire meeting and a bunch of other meetings, I think what some of us are saying is that the examples of sex that are provided are not taken in context of the greater novel and the novel itself isn't Mediaography. I think taking some passages out of books and labeling them Mediaography and grooming of young people to a deviant lifestyle doesn't sit well.
Lawn Boy is profanity laden and a bit rough with its sexual flashbacks. It get that, but I wouldn't call it "Mediaography". I wouldn't' be bothered it a committee decided raised the age out of high school. I also think that somehow books monitoring at the school level should be better. A 14 year old whom even the writer says is too young shouldn't have been able to check out that book.
BTW, I'm taking a break from politics and taking a vacation to Costa Rica today. I'll have internet access of course, but going to check out for a bit. I won't revisit this topic as I've said I need. Carry on.
I'll scold you if I see any comments during vacation. Will you be doing any diving or snorkeling on the east coast? I'd be curious about the condition of the near shore marine environment. I haven't been there in years.
BTW, I'm taking a break from politics and taking a vacation to Costa Rica today. I'll have internet access of course, but going to check out for a bit. I won't revisit this topic as I've said I need. Carry on.
BTW, I'm taking a break from politics and taking a vacation to Costa Rica today. I'll have internet access of course, but going to check out for a bit. I won't revisit this topic as I've said I need. Carry on.
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The issue isn't one book with controversial drawings and the shared articles provide evidence and discussion to support that. The issue is widespread conservative concern about books that has too many conservatives angry and shouting right wing rhetoric and demands that all manner of books be removed from libraries... often based upon out of context excerpts and misrepresentations.
There is no argument that Media should be allowed in schools. There is argument as to whether books should be removed from libraries because they offend some. There is argument that angry and agitated behavior at meetings is not the way to effect change in a civilized society. I mean, some liberals got Huck Finn out of some libraries without blowing up public meetings.