None of you will like what I have to say. But let me kick the hard truth to you. Honestly about 50% of people I talk to are in nursing school or are taking pre-reqs for nursing school. This is a major red flag for several reasons. If you have not noticed, nursing wages/benefits have been on the down trend.
Pension?? goodbye.
Crud 401k 403b plans hello. Raise? LOL "sorry hospital is working out financial issues, maybe next year".
Nevermind if you work for a community/SNF agency. Yet insurance companies, medicare derived/gov agencies, and anyone else from the top 1% will continue to blast the RN as "shortage" in order to drive drones of students into nursing schools pulling each others hair out on the way to land a seat. Proof of this is, let's see (ABSN ***** ADN, BSN, diploma, LPN/LVN bridge to RN programs, RN to BSN) Why do these different routes exist? To flood the RN market as fast as possible to drive the wage, need, and profession into the ground.
Let's look at our oh so loyal CNA's. If you can find one that isn't in nursing school to be a nurse, ask them how much they make?
Look at LPN's 20-30 years ago and look at them today??
Surely the ANA and other organizations treated them with respect. The RN is next, so make sure to support your local nursing agency so they can do nothing for you. So they can be paid off by organizations so powerful that no one can say no and "not have the power to stop a bill". So they can continue to cry nursing shortage when this is not true.
RNs today are treated like children and are required to demonstrate fundamental task and other skills in inservices which were designed for nothing else but cut throat. To place blame of UTI's and poor patient satisfaction on the nurse.
If you are an RN today, your only safety net is to become an APRN if you want to live comfortably but in several decades the APRN will be under attack just like the LPN had been an RNs currently are. "OH the aging population is going to need nurses" You really think so?
Nursing homes are shutting down and now elderly people live at home with "24 hour care takers" that get paid **** wages and do things only an RN should be doing. You don't think so? Wake up.
None of this is to say that I hate nursing. I love helping people who are mentally ill, suffering from dementia, sick, or on their death beds. It is when we do great things for them that my love for nursing shines. There aren't other people standing around to reward you for your great deeds.
When the family comes in the next day complaining about everything, they never had a chance to see how well their dying loved one was cared for. Your good deeds will never be rewarded, but in a safe place in your heart.
I am just here to open the eyes of people who are intelligent and looking for a new career. I think you may find better job security else where. Invest your time in classes and money else where. Nursing is honestly under great attack right now and the future is black.
I am not sure,but what i have saw on Allnurses is that a Bsn in the Philippians takes 3 years,while ours take 4.
The Bsn is the minimum entry to practice in the Philippians
Most Rn's in the Usa have an Adn.
Here is the kicker...most of us ADN nurses really did spend 3 years in school for nursing,yet we still only have an Adn.
Not unique to the Philippines as many other countries grant a BSN degree after three not four years.
France, Australia, and a few others IIRC are "three year" programs that are equal in some ways to our BSN, but not always so. That is you cannot always translate a BSN from another country to ours (USA). France in particular via their state mandated and run nursing programs is a long slog heavily weighted towards vocational training. You spend ten months working as essentially a nursing assistant. After that and passing exams you enter nursing training proper that runs about two years (again IIRC). Though from 2009 you can find a comparison of nursing programs worldwide here: http://www.gken.org/Docs/Workforce/Nursing%20Educ%20Reqs_FINAL%20102609.pdf
Unless one is incorrect many of the BSN programs in the Philippines *are* designed from the ground up to meet various state requirements for graduates to work in the USA. This is an obvious and natural result of that country's favored immigration status for sending nurses to the United States.
I am not sure,but what i have saw on Allnurses is that a Bsn in the Philippians takes 3 years,while ours take 4.
The Bsn is the minimum entry to practice in the Philippians
Most Rn's in the Usa have an Adn.
Here is the kicker...most of us ADN nurses really did spend 3 years in school for nursing,yet we still only have an Adn.
As originally designed associate degree nursing programs were meant to compete with the then still dominate hospital based schools.
Back in the day hospital programs took three years on average, so to solve with a then nursing shortage made more difficult by WWII it was proposed to create a "faster" way of producing gradate nurses. The added bonus was moving nursing education out of hospitals and giving students some college background. The "Profession" deemed college educated nurses of both stripes (BSN or ADN) vastly better prepared to enter and practice nursing as it was moving away from being a fully vocational profession.
As late as the 1980's or even 1990's many ADN programs both in NYC area and elsewhere ran only two and one half years as originally designed. One half semester for pre-nursing and two years of nursing classes and you graduated.
The difference between as then hospital based programs and ADN had to do with mostly amount of clinical rotations and of course college classwork.
Contrary to popular belief many diploma programs did send their students to local colleges for some non nursing or related classes. This could and usually were the sciences with perhaps a few other electives. The other route was some hospital programs required you to have completed what would be considered "pre-nursing" classes today *before* entering their programs. The whole idea was to have as much time as possible for those long clinical rotations. And in hospital programs you *did* rotate!Sometimes spending several weeks with multiple days which often ran an entire shift on a floor/unit.
To balance the year less of nursing school ADN programs often had less clinical time but still more than most BSN schools at the time.
Initially hospitals balked at the removal of nursing programs to colleges/universities but gradually came around after the results began to come in; on average diploma GNs out performed ADN and BSN new grads out of the gate. However it was found with a little seasoning (orientation) both the ADN and BSN graduates came up to speed. Normally the associates got their quicker than bachelors but in the end it was still cheaper to orientate new grads than run a nursing program.
Fast forward to recent times and ADN programs are being caught between a rock and a hard place.
Sometime in the middle to late 1990's or so hospitals began to lament at the quality of new graduates from all programs. The result was a putting down of feet to local programs with places saying they would no longer "educate" new grads in what they considered areas of competency that should be covered in school. Places were tired of new grads that couldn't do simple things such as properly calculate dosages and or administer meds among other things. To back this up places have instituted the series of pre-employment testing you see today. They don't care if you graduated Phi Beta Kappa, if you cannot pass a pharmacology exam you aren't getting a job in their hospital.
In reaction to these "increased" demands upon graduate nurses ADN programs have had to step up their game. So what was a two and one half year program now can and often does take three years to complete. And yes in the end you *only* have an ADN.
IF nursing students had any idea how much power the board of nursing has over your career your livelyhood and life they would NEVER get into nursing. I cant tell you how many nurses I know have been ordered a psych evaluation , al under "unprofessional conduct" . if you refuse you will have additional charges , unprof conduct. a nurse posting about a hospital that fired her, got her license revoked, unprof conduct. they will order all of your medical records from birth, any employement records since licensed contact family, neighbors. , and side with the hospital . IF you have EVEr seen a psychologist for divorce abuse as a child, stress, anything they will order you counseling and the BD gets a copy of all that is shared with the psychologist. Counseling = probation= probation = no work, = no work cant get off probation then you lose your license. dont think so?
read ARIZONA STATE BOARD OF NURSING CORRUPTION. , it is happening folks, dont care masters drs degree you lose it all. AND when revoked you cant even work as a housekeeper in a facilty that accepts medicare money. your private life is an open book, the BD will offer consent agreements, DO NOT SIGN GO TO COURT. once you sign you are stuck , with it, it is a plea bargain they will sell you on , "get it over quickly " haha they will extend your probation another year another year until you give up , You can lose your license for doing NOTHING wrong. ! I have the proof get the hell out!!! drs dont even have the punishment nurses get.
I am fairly young, only 25 so I'm willing to give nursing 5 good years of me in good physical shape. I want to further my education and credentials but I also want to make sure I know the essential functions of the job as well.
You better pedal fast. 30 is bearing down on you like a freight train. I guess you turn in a pumpkin then?
Try doing bedside nursing at 50+, 60+ even! You kids are hilarious.
You better pedal fast. 30 is bearing down on you like a freight train. I guess you turn in a pumpkin then?
Try doing bedside nursing at 50+, 60+ even! You kids are hilarious.
I thought the poster had a good point. Get your floor years in while still working on younger knees and less parenting or other obligations. And let's face it, most of us had quicker recovery and rebound when we were younger.
IF nursing students had any idea how much power the board of nursing has over your career your livelyhood and life they would NEVER get into nursing. I cant tell you how many nurses I know have been ordered a psych evaluation , al under "unprofessional conduct" . if you refuse you will have additional charges , unprof conduct. a nurse posting about a hospital that fired her, got her license revoked, unprof conduct. they will order all of your medical records from birth, any employement records since licensed contact family, neighbors. , and side with the hospital . IF you have EVEr seen a psychologist for divorce abuse as a child, stress, anything they will order you counseling and the BD gets a copy of all that is shared with the psychologist. Counseling = probation= probation = no work, = no work cant get off probation then you lose your license. dont think so?
read ARIZONA STATE BOARD OF NURSING CORRUPTION. , it is happening folks, dont care masters drs degree you lose it all. AND when revoked you cant even work as a housekeeper in a facilty that accepts medicare money. your private life is an open book, the BD will offer consent agreements, DO NOT SIGN GO TO COURT. once you sign you are stuck , with it, it is a plea bargain they will sell you on , "get it over quickly " haha they will extend your probation another year another year until you give up , You can lose your license for doing NOTHING wrong. ! I have the proof get the hell out!!! drs dont even have the punishment nurses get.
What are you talking about? I know plenty of nurses, my mom was an RN during my childhood (she became a lawyer when I was a late teen, but once a nurse, always a nurse...). My mom is pretty paranoid about privacy invasion like the kind you are describing and she has never once felt threatened by the BON. You seem like you're acting rather hysterically over a personal incident. Is it possible it is just your state (AZ)?
If I am wrong, I know the experienced nurses here will correct me.
I have read the majority of the thread, skipped around a bit, and I feel kind of depressed. Maybe that is the OP's intention: to dissuade prospectives from nursing. Reading the attached pdf and seeing that there is quite a significant surplus projected for my state makes me hesitate. The ABSN program I'm admitted to is $45k. Now I'm thinking about the possibility that I wouldn't be able to find a job shortly after graduation. I can't uproot and go anywhere because I have a husband and two kids, and my husband works for his family's company. I do live near Philadelphia (where I work) and there are multiple hospital systems here and in the tri-state region, as we call it, so perhaps that bodes well for me. I do also have some connections from working in a major hospital currently but, still... I pause.
I don't think the tight job market should dissuade one from going to nursing school. It just means one should plan ahead, make connections, do some research. There are jobs out there for new grads, maybe just not in the setting you had in mind.
What are you talking about? I know plenty of nurses, my mom was an RN during my childhood (she became a lawyer when I was a late teen, but once a nurse, always a nurse...). My mom is pretty paranoid about privacy invasion like the kind you are describing and she has never once felt threatened by the BON. You seem like you're acting rather hysterically over a personal incident. Is it possible it is just your state (AZ)?
If I am wrong, I know the experienced nurses here will correct me.
Nurses who get involved with the BON never recover. It will haunt you every time you put in an application for a job or apply for licensure by endorsement. I pray that it never happens to me and I carry Liability Insurance in case such an event ever happens
Nurses who get involved with the BON never recover. It will haunt you every time you put in an application for a job or apply for licensure by endorsement. I pray that it never happens to me and I carry liability insurance in case such an event ever happens
Not necessarily. I have personally known two RNs who lost their licenses for two entirely different types of serious offenses (in two different states), met all the requirements set by the BON to get their licenses back, and recovered their licenses and went on with their careers.
The hospital I worked in for 6 years claimed overstaffing, let a bunch of RN's go, then claimed they were short staffed and there were no RN's to be hired in the area. Bam! Philippino nurses! Underhanded at best, dirty at worst.
That is happening in the nursing homes in my area too.
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Not unique to the Philippines as many other countries grant a BSN degree after three not four years.
France, Australia, and a few others IIRC are "three year" programs that are equal in some ways to our BSN, but not always so. That is you cannot always translate a BSN from another country to ours (USA). France in particular via their state mandated and run nursing programs is a long slog heavily weighted towards vocational training. You spend ten months working as essentially a nursing assistant. After that and passing exams you enter nursing training proper that runs about two years (again IIRC). Though from 2009 you can find a comparison of nursing programs worldwide here: http://www.gken.org/Docs/Workforce/Nursing%20Educ%20Reqs_FINAL%20102609.pdf
Unless one is incorrect many of the BSN programs in the Philippines *are* designed from the ground up to meet various state requirements for graduates to work in the USA. This is an obvious and natural result of that country's favored immigration status for sending nurses to the United States.