None of you will like what I have to say. But let me kick the hard truth to you. Honestly about 50% of people I talk to are in nursing school or are taking pre-reqs for nursing school. This is a major red flag for several reasons. If you have not noticed, nursing wages/benefits have been on the down trend.
Pension?? goodbye.
Crud 401k 403b plans hello. Raise? LOL "sorry hospital is working out financial issues, maybe next year".
Nevermind if you work for a community/SNF agency. Yet insurance companies, medicare derived/gov agencies, and anyone else from the top 1% will continue to blast the RN as "shortage" in order to drive drones of students into nursing schools pulling each others hair out on the way to land a seat. Proof of this is, let's see (ABSN ***** ADN, BSN, diploma, LPN/LVN bridge to RN programs, RN to BSN) Why do these different routes exist? To flood the RN market as fast as possible to drive the wage, need, and profession into the ground.
Let's look at our oh so loyal CNA's. If you can find one that isn't in nursing school to be a nurse, ask them how much they make?
Look at LPN's 20-30 years ago and look at them today??
Surely the ANA and other organizations treated them with respect. The RN is next, so make sure to support your local nursing agency so they can do nothing for you. So they can be paid off by organizations so powerful that no one can say no and "not have the power to stop a bill". So they can continue to cry nursing shortage when this is not true.
RNs today are treated like children and are required to demonstrate fundamental task and other skills in inservices which were designed for nothing else but cut throat. To place blame of UTI's and poor patient satisfaction on the nurse.
If you are an RN today, your only safety net is to become an APRN if you want to live comfortably but in several decades the APRN will be under attack just like the LPN had been an RNs currently are. "OH the aging population is going to need nurses" You really think so?
Nursing homes are shutting down and now elderly people live at home with "24 hour care takers" that get paid **** wages and do things only an RN should be doing. You don't think so? Wake up.
None of this is to say that I hate nursing. I love helping people who are mentally ill, suffering from dementia, sick, or on their death beds. It is when we do great things for them that my love for nursing shines. There aren't other people standing around to reward you for your great deeds.
When the family comes in the next day complaining about everything, they never had a chance to see how well their dying loved one was cared for. Your good deeds will never be rewarded, but in a safe place in your heart.
I am just here to open the eyes of people who are intelligent and looking for a new career. I think you may find better job security else where. Invest your time in classes and money else where. Nursing is honestly under great attack right now and the future is black.
PLEASE, folks, corral your comments to remain ONLY on the THREAD TOPIC, NOT character-bashing or name-calling or making personal attacks.
Think twice, post once.
Fair enough.
I am now of the opinion, given the persuasive arguments I have now read, that the BoN of the State of Arizona has had its hands full of all kinds of issues that would no doubt rightfully end in the disciplinary action of the nurses involved in said issues.
Now, about being a Croonie (singer of ballads?)...I wonder if that's anything the rest of us may aspire to as well?
Specializes in Infection Prevention, Public Health.
The BON is satisfied that that is what happened -- the findings of the case are in the final BON report, which can be viewed on line (it's pretty interesting reading).
Do you have a link to that report? I am having trouble finding it.
Do you have a link to that report? I am having trouble finding it.
Here's a link to the final BON Consent Agreement (and buried in the pages of legalese is the statement that the Respondent (Ms. Trujillo) admits to all the findings listed in the document):
I got the link from an article by a blogger who goes by "The Nerdy Nurse," updating the case (I'm confused about what the rule here is for linking to blogs, so I won't post a link to the actual article, just in case that's out of line). Her article is also interesting reading -- and quotes LadyFree28 on allnurses talking about the case!
Of course, there's always the possibility that the entire document is just a tissue of vicious lies and we're all suckers for falling for it ...
Here's a link to the final BON Consent Agreement (and buried in the pages of legalese is the statement that the Respondent (Ms. Trujillo) admits to all the findings listed in the document):
I got the link from an article by a blogger who goes by "The Nerdy Nurse," updating the case (I'm confused about what the rule here is for linking to blogs, so I won't post a link to the actual article, just in case that's out of line). Her article is also interesting reading -- and quotes LadyFree28 on allnurses talking about the case!
Of course, there's always the possibility that the entire document is just a tissue of vicious lies and we're all suckers for falling for it ...
I didn't realize I was quoted?
Guess I need to hawk gear since I'm a "nurse celebrity"...
The allegations against Ms Trujillo are public record. She allegedly "educated" a patient with an upcoming liver transplant by going into the room at 2am-ish while the patient was groggy from narcotics and told them that, among other things, being a transplant receiver entails "being hounded and hounded by the transplant people" and that they should consider hospice.
Now, whether or not this is true, I do not know. That's what the trial seeks to discover. But for you to say that the allegations are trivial and that even if they're true, they're "nothing", is disturbing. Particularly considering you're a 35-year experienced RN. If these allegations are true, they constitute a gross breach of ethics, and license revocation would be justified.
Trujillo expressed to the patient the details of the transplant educational policy, her role in recommending the hospice option was policy. The case was entirely surgeon generated. When I first started nursing it was required that every inpatient have a social service consult. Its nothing.
Guess I need to hawk gear since I'm a "nurse celebrity"...
If you don't sign the consent agreement you get charged and have to hire a lawyer for 5,000.00 to defend against a nothing charge. You've lost your job and only have your car to live in. Nobody in Az on probation gets a job. The Trujillo case is a scam and shows how corporate $$ influence the Board.
I work in pediatric/adolescent psychiatric so my kids are always appreciative even if they're days when they throw their Miralax at you or spit you or call you the B word I know they appreciate when they say Miss M you're my favorite nurse. I love that part but I do agree that salaries aren't as competitive, there is more responsibility and liability, there is NO shortage! I've been trying to get back in Med Surg and filled out 1000 applications and no calls back.
Specializes in Allergy/ENT, Occ Health, LTC/Skilled.
Wow, even after a combined 9 years of being an STNA and LPN, this thread has been a very enlightening and interesting read and I am not even all the way through yet.
I have always thought that a way to cure people of the naivety of what nursing will be is to REQUIRE one year of STNA experience before entering any type of nursing program, no matter what that route is. Seriously, half the people would never even make it to pre-reqs. I know there can be great nurses who were never an STNA but I have also never met an STNA who says that as a nurse they want "no weekends, no holidays, no poop, no pee, and no aid work". It's a simple solution, unsure of what it's not widely applied.
I am in my RN bridge program now, while I am not saying this is everyone, most of the students I have encountered who expect the no weekends, no holidays, no poop/pee things are second career students in their 30's/40's in the traditional RN program or the accelerated bachelors to BSN in nursing (we all three share some pre-reqs). The program at my school for second degree nurses has always mystified me. They go from generally no healthcare background, to BSN, my school requires one year of experience then you may go for the MSN portion. How are you going to have a masters in nursing, when you haven't been in long enough to master it? How can you become nurse managers, nursing professors, without ever being a nurse for more than a few years? Maybe I don't get it but this just doesn't seem like a good scenario to me. I have no plans to go beyond BSN (and that's only because its required of me) and I want to do bedside nursing for as long as I can hang but I would never think that I would even have the right to become a nurse manager without knowing my ins and outs, getting in the trenches with my fellow nurses, so I can actually, ya know, know the field I am managing. I have had many managers who were either not nurses or barely 3 years out from being a newbie if you can't tell lol.
I say this as an LPN, I wish they would also restructure the LPN role. My dream job as an LPN would be to be in a hospital and act as sort of a float between 2-3 RN's, assisting them with their less critical patients, filling in for lunch breaks, skills within my scope, etc. I realize this means more money but in the long run of things keep RN's less stressed, less overwhelmed, and inclined to stay at the bedside longer which means better care. Since that will never happen is why I went back for my RN.
This topic thread is over 5 years old but I couldn't help but respond. We are now post-pandemic and many, many baby boomer nurses I worked with retired after the pandemic hit which left us in a huge bind. Also a lot of younger nurses are going PRN to raise children. So we have been left to rely on the new grads. Thank god for the new grads. Your perspective to NOT go into nursing seems to stem from the low income that nursing offers. But nurses on average make more than teachers, librarians and many other "feminized" professions. Yes, nursing pay is dramatically lower compared to more "masculinized" professions like police officer or even blue collar "masculinized" jobs like electricians, plumbers, or auto technicians. Women seem to choose jobs because of emotional ties to people or environments. Men seem to choose jobs because of money. So, yes, choosing nursing might not be the best choice if you desire wealth. But if you desire to serve and like connection with people, as most women do, then nursing is probably a good choice. It all depends on the person and what profession fits them personally.
ixchel
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I see BON AZ and think BOreaNAZ.
Let's talk about David, instead.