Parent Faked Order?

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Good afternoon my SN friends. I'm curious how many of you have issues getting order clarification from MDs (or suspect a parent may have faked orders). Here is the history.

I have a 1st grader with a hx of migraines, ADHD and behavior issues. In the beginning of the school year, I had to call mom for fevers (2-3x) and migraine (1-2 times). One of the times she had a migraine mom asked if I could give her Tylenol. I explained not without a doctor's orders. Well, about 5 weeks ago, mom comes in first thing in the morning (while I was busy) and dropped off the filled out orders and pharmacy labeled ibuprofen (go give q6 -8hrs for fever). I didn't look at the orders until she left. The orders called for ibuprofen every 4 hours "if has fever". (This parent speaks Spainish only) So, I call the doctor's office on the order to clarify the order AND to ask for the order to read for headache because the way I see it, if a student has a fever, they need to go home, not get medicated and sent back to class. I was placed on hold for 20 minutes. I hang up and call back the next day, again put on hold. I have since sent three faxes for order clarification (since when do we give ibuprofen q4?)... anyway, I can not get the doctor to call back or fax back clarification.

Fast forward to this week. Student throws up in classroom, gets sent to clinic and has temp of 99.4. No, not a fever but student says she's been vomiting since last night and mom gave me medicine when she woke up. We call mom, who says, "she has orders for medication, I gave it to the nurse myself".... I go on to explain that the orders have never been verified by the MD and that while I am happy to medicate a headache (with PROPER orders) I will not medicate a fever (and vomiting) and send the child back to class. I also explained (through my translator) that a child with a fever needs to be picked up because of risk of child being contagious. Mom was peeved she had to pick up her kid.

Did I handle this wrong? What doctor orders medication for fever to be given at school? The mom also lied to the teacher and told her I had orders to give ADHD medications at school-- as far as I can tell (mom hasn't provided me any documentation or meds for anything other than "if has fever"), the child does not take ADHD medications..

Do y'all have trouble getting doctor's to respond to clarification or did mom fake the orders? I'm beginning to think she did.

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Love you too OldDude! We are all stickin together! (That's.our.story.and.we.are.sticking.to.it.) :cheeky:

Group hug?

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ABSOLUTELY!! We will put OldDude in the middle.

Group hug?

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ABSOLUTELY!! We will put OldDude in the middle.

I don't think he'd have it any other way.

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I don't think he'd have it any other way.

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You all should be ashamed your first duty is to your patient, advocacy is our goal here Q4 ibuprofen is not an order "five rights unavailable" invalid prescription...As far as dosing goes Q4 at 100mg po ibuprofen is rather common for someone suffering migraines. It is your duty now to get the prescription or turn over for prosecution the person that gave it to you. You DO NOT start with the patient or the family the doctors name is on the prescription and your state AG would dance a jig should you send it to him/her federal law imposes that a fax number must be made available to you if not now it is your school districts issue and you turn it over to the principal. However in the mean time a child is suffering and her relief is in your hands.

For real???

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Can I just ask a question here, and excuse me for my ignorance, but here where I live, school nurses do not need prescriptions for OTC medications, so I'm wondering why so many on here do? Parents here sign a slip at the beginning of the year allowing the school nurse to administer OTC meds without involving parents or a doctor. They can give Tylenol, Ibuprofen, Benadryl........ Those kinds of items.

Heck, in my district I am not even permitted to give a cough drop without a Med Permit signed by a physician! My DD goes to private school and they do not even have a school nurse (they borrow the nurse from the public school district that they are in to handle immunizations, screenings, etc). Anyway, the secretary will dispense ibuprofen, Tylenol, Tums with written parent permission and verbal ok prior to the medication being given. Very different from my school!

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Mhm...

Get at the END of the SN line- behind MrNurse(x2)

I like my spot at the end of the line, you can get in front of me, jensmom7

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Group hug?

I'll stay at the end of the line...

You all should be ashamed your first duty is to your patient, advocacy is our goal here Q4 ibuprofen is not an order "five rights unavailable" invalid prescription...As far as dosing goes Q4 at 100mg po ibuprofen is rather common for someone suffering migraines. It is your duty now to get the prescription or turn over for prosecution the person that gave it to you. You DO NOT start with the patient or the family the doctors name is on the prescription and your state AG would dance a jig should you send it to him/her federal law imposes that a fax number must be made available to you if not now it is your school districts issue and you turn it over to the principal. However in the mean time a child is suffering and her relief is in your hands.

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