Only a third of nurses willing to have swine flu vaccine: poll

CityKat, BSN, RN · Aug 26, 2009

Oops..here is the other article I read from Mercola about immunity being granted to the swine flu vaccine makers.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/08/20/Legal-Immunity-Set-for-Swine-Flu-Vaccine-Makers.aspx

invisigoth · Aug 26, 2009

I'm not exactly willing to take it. Then again, I've not taken the hep vaccine either. I was made to take the tetorifice shot as a requirement for school graduation. A good website for natural flu defense is utopiasilver.com I've not ordered from them but they seem to be pretty cheap and they give a discount to healthcare workers. Another good site is curezone.com but that's ALL the healing modalities and you really have to wade through althealing ocean.

kanzi monkey · Aug 26, 2009

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr58e0821a1.htm

Vaccination Against Novel Influenza A (H1N1) Virus Infection

Limited data from serologic studies of persons who received vaccination with seasonal influenza vaccines suggest that seasonal influenza vaccines will not provide protection against novel influenza A (H1N1) virus. Among adults, cross-reactive antibody to novel influenza A (H1N1) virus at titers that correlate with protection from illness in studies of seasonal influenza vaccine was detected in 6%--9% of those aged 18--64 years and in 33% of those aged >60 years. No children tested had cross-reactive antibody to novel influenza A (H1N1) virus. Titers of cross-reactive antibody to novel influenza A (H1N1) virus did not increase after administration of seasonal influenza vaccine (2,8).

Vaccines against novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection are being produced using methods similar to those used for seasonal influenza vaccines. Licensure of vaccines against novel influenza A (H1N1) virus will be based on the same licensure standards used for seasonal influenza vaccines, as is done routinely each year when strains are changed in the seasonal vaccine. Both live, attenuated and inactivated influenza A (H1N1) 2009 monovalent vaccine formulations will be available initially; as with seasonal influenza vaccines, neither of these vaccines will contain adjuvants. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and WHO have selected A/California/07/2009 (H1N1) for use as the strain for the vaccines currently being manufactured.

In previously unvaccinated persons aged http://www.cdc.gov/flu.

Several vaccines containing an adjuvant also are being studied but probably will not be available initially. These vaccines likely will need to be used under an Emergency Use Authorization.† Additional guidance will be provided if adjuvanted vaccines are made available.

† If an emerging public health threat is identified for which no licensed or approved product exists, the Project BioShield Act of 2004 authorizes the Food and Drug Administration commissioner to issue and Emergency Use Authorization so promising countermeasures can be disseminated quickly to protect the safety of the U.S. population.

There is growing evidence that the link between autism and Thimerosal is unfounded. But if the nasal spray (which is live, attenuated) is available, this vaccine traditionally does not contain Thimerosal. It can't be given in folk age 50 and up, in anyone with respiratory disease, or in patients who are immunosuppressed.

If the article posted by Citykat is correct, then it seems that this vaccine may contain adjuvants--which I will admit to knowing very little about.

I'll get immunized. When all is said and done, it does seem that the benefit will outweigh the risk.

I also want to steer my patients in the right direction. If anyone has any information on what these "adjuvants" may contain, or what risks they may present, I'd like to see it.

indigo girl · Aug 26, 2009

Adjuvants have not been approved for use yet in the US for influenza vaccine. The govt has stockpiled them for use if needed but the shots coming out soon will not be adjuvated. This means of course that it will require two shots for full immunity. It also means that there will be less vaccine available for poor countries because the US is not going with the adjuvated vax and so we will use more.

The first vax will probably contain thimerosal. We heard initially that some vaccine will be available without thimerosal also, but probably not the first batches.

You will have to ask what is in the vaccine you are receiving, and wait for the kind that you are willing to take if you want to be vaccinated.

mariposabella · Aug 26, 2009

Well swine flu is man made so I cant blame people for not wanting the vaccine for it.

The Hated Consultant · Aug 26, 2009

No thanks. I'll skip this one.

This hurried up band aid of a vaccine has been rushed into development and approval by people running around in circles flapping their arms screaming something must be done. Knee jerk reactions aren't what's needed.

indigo girl · Aug 26, 2009

CDC Video Answers Vaccine Questions

Anne Schuchatt is a very well known and respected MD at CDC. As the Director National Center For immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD), she has done a very fine job at CDC press conferences, fielding some tough questions from savy media types since April. I listen to many press conferences with an ear to what they are not saying. I have never felt that she was not being completely honest and transparent.

This is a simple video directed towards the lay public that does discuss adjuvants but not thimerosal.

http://afludiary.blogspot.com/2009/08/cdc-video-answers-vaccine-questions.html

The Hated Consultant · Aug 26, 2009

Good layman's video, but nothing was said in there to change my mind.

indigo girl · Aug 26, 2009

I respect your choice.

Anyone choosing not to get the vax, will likely be immunized by the virus. It will be very difficult to avoid it.

Docs like Anne Schuchatt are only trying to help. I don't like all of the the vaccine options, but at least for Americans, we have more than one option because we can afford it.

The Mexicans are having to buy some of their vaccine from China...

If you want your vax without adjuvants better get it as soon as possible rather than later.

indigo girl · Aug 26, 2009

CDC starts Web discussions on swine flu

http://fcw.com/articles/2009/08/26/cdc-sets-up-web-dialogue-on-h1n1-virus.aspx

Go talk to the CDC, and tell them your concerns. Nurses are educated professionals. I hope that some of you that are willing to post here will be willing to make your educated opinions mean something.

Please, keep us updated. This is an important discussion. This is where you get to make a difference as professionals.

The Health and Human Services Department is asking volunteers on the Web to help assess public opinion on whether to go full speed on vaccinations against the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, this fall.
Starting today through Sept. 1, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is sponsoring the four-day H1N1 Public Engagement Dialogue online for volunteers who register and agree to participate.
"In this Web-based dialogue the public will discuss, deliberate, and offer input as the CDC considers whether to take a 'full-throttle' or a 'go-easy' approach to mass vaccination, or a moderate approach somewhere in-between," states the CDC's introduction.
The CDC asks participants to review materials on daily discussion topics, and then to comment on a public message board. The dialogue is occurring Aug. 26, 27 and 31 and Sept. 1. Today, 148 participants had registered and 82 comments had been posted.
After reviewing the CDC's introductory materials on the flu, participants are asked to submit comments on what additional information is needed to know the difference between swine flu and seasonal flu. Panelists may also take part in on-the-spot polls during the dialogue, and are asked to fill out a survey and provide feedback on the discussion.
The CDC is using the WebDialogues turnkey service produced by the WestEd Inc. nonprofit educational group to hold the online discussion. The service is offered by WestEd Interactive Evaluation and Policy Research Program.
In its WebDialogues service, WestEnd is providing the Web site along with the daily agenda, daily summaries of highlights of the previous day's discussion and expert panelists. The support includes registration services, outreach, an information library, polling and evaluation of the project.
The Keystone Center nonprofit research center, along with the Association for State and Territorial Health Officials and the National Association of County and City Health Officials are also participating in the event.
On Aug. 23, a White House panel warned that swine flu infections could cause as many as 1.8 million hospitalizations and 90,000 deaths in the United States. Earlier this year, the White House approved $1.5 billion in supplemental funding to control the spread of the flu.

(hat tip flutrackers/GennieF)

Long Term Care Columnist / Guide · Aug 26, 2009

I'd take it if it were offered to me. But I'm over 50 and work with the elderly, so I'm not in a high-risk group for swine flu and I'm not stressing over it.........just give me my regular flu shot in November and I'll be happy.

I have, however, told my grown kids that THEY need to get it and have the grandkids vaccinated as well; there are pockets of H1N1 in my area (I've already been exposed to it) and it's spreading. I suspect it's going to go through the population faster than a rumor once fall and winter arrive. Good times.......~sigh~......