Does anyone think that online Rn to Bsn programs might be considered inferior by nurse recruiters?
I know it should not be that way.
I am hearing horror stories of grads of other professions who have degrees obtained online but can not find jobs.
Lots of recruiters of other professions even admit to it.
I think many people have this perception that online schools are not as vigorous as brick and mortar schools.
Of course,there is so much variety of online schools.
Non profit,schools that are regionally accredited but have no brick and mortar campus(WGU)
For profit schools that are regionally accredited(Chamberlain) with a brick and mortar campus.
Some are non profit with a brick and mortar campus but not accredited(my old Adn school just started an Rn to Bsn program but it is not accredited yet. The Adn was Acen accredited since the late 60's). If i start there in Sept i would be in the 1st Rn to Bsn class to graduate from the school.
Wgu is giving me a vibe of "We accept anyone",
WHy? I know for a FACT i failed the entrance exam,but the recruiter said i passed.
Ahh I see. Well, I have heard everyone tell me once I graduate that if a position for med surg opens up that I should jump on the opportunity. I get what you are saying. Just ask where you would like to do med surg what they would recommend as far as getting the BSN. That's what I would do.
nurse who takes the easy way out and buys a degree online can not be trusted to conduct him or herself ethically in the workplace or be counted on to have the educational foundation and maintain the continuing education necessary to work in Critical Care.]
Guess what there are plenty of ADN RN's already working in critical care right now that don't even have a BSN, even an online one! I'm shocked at your comment that nurses who study thru online programs are unethical! Are you serious! Online education is the wave of the future. It is economical and one can study at their own pace. Many regular colleges are already offering an online option.
The college I got my ADN from offered a BSN one day a week but required group projects. I'm sorry but that is just ridiculous when you consider that nurses work all shifts and all hours it is not realistic to expect a bunch of nurses to find a time to meet when they have differing shifts. Frankly if I want to do group projects I could join a bunch of committees at work for free.
If I was required to get my BSN I would go for the cheapest and fastest route. My hospital is offering a discount to go to WGU, not that it matters, as they offer whatever discount any school agrees to and we have plenty of online options and many for profit and non profit all competing to get tuition money from all us lowly and apparently unethical ADN's! If you take offense at nurses getting an online BSN you must really take offense at us ADN's!
As a graduate of a legitimate university school of nursing I feel it is the student's loss to omit the clinical experiences provided in community health and public health.
I worked in the inner city doing home visits.
I was required to design and implement a community
health education project.
I was required to do a public health evaluation of our city.
I was trained in disaster nursing by our state EMA.
I assisted a School nurse in an elementary school whose students were mainly children of migratory workers.
These experiences completed my education. There are many rn
to bsn programs who still require a community health
practicum and provide clinical instructors as mine did. (The previous poster can google this for her region herself).
It was very hard and hundreds of hours of work I have no regrets.
East coast hospitals are now advertising no rn to bsn and that
is because these programs are just too easy.
Bite the bullet borrow the money. Don't settle for a second rate education.
I personally think it is sad that you have not actually used these great public health experiences, but are working in the hospital instead! These experiences would be great for someone with a desire to work in public health, but the fact is there are not many jobs in community/public health and it is one of the first places govt cuts, such as school nurses, to save money.
One doesn't have to go to school to learn or experience life. People volunteer and even go on mission trips to other countries. If I were hiring for critical care my first criteria would be experience and certifications, not a BSN, let alone was it online or not! You sound like a snob if you ask me!
Honestly, I am persuing my ADN locally near home and getting a job ASAP. Then I'll be doing my online bridge while I work and gain experience. I might even skip the BSN and go straight to my Masters to save time :) Most places don't care where you got a BSN from, rather the experience in the area they are hiring for. Some HR people might be different, but there are so many out of state grads of all levels from online and campus programs that HR would have to dig deep just to see how well known an unfamiliar school is. They care about the numbers and good recommendations. Best of luck in your choices!!!
Skip BSN?? I'm pretty sure it can't be skipped. It is a standard requirement if you are pursuing a masters degree.
Skip BSN?? I'm pretty sure it can't be skipped. It is a standard requirement if you are pursuing a masters degree.
You can skip the BSN & go straight to the MSN; there are several programs out there. Some facilities insist on BSNs which I think is silly if the nurse has an MSN.
The issue is that it's easy to label an online school as being cheap and unethical to go. Then backtracking and saying only some of them. It bugs me when someone is willing to say that they would refuse to hire someone based solely on where they obtained a degree.
Also, sometimes choices can be limited by policies. At one of the hospital systems, the degrees are limited to certain schools. There are the local schools and some online schools. One was University of Phoenix. I don't know much about them but the hospital viewed them as worthy enough to pay money for them.
Western Governors University is accredited by the CCNE. I think that would be the biggest indicator of the success. As for suggesting that they should have further clinicals, a lot of ADN programs have changed their curriculum to include community and preceptorships. My class even had gerontology (not geriatrics).
I don't know you and I don't care what you think.
Dumbed down pass fail online nursing education programs do exist. Anyone with a half brain in their head can see the magnitude of those scams.
Online education may be the way of the future but it's a big step backward for the Bachelor of Science degree in Nursing.
Would you want a physician who got his degree from a laptop?
The issue is that the nurses did hybrid programs. They did clinicals. My school's online ADN programs required that the online students participate in everything such as HPS, clinicals, and extra classes like EKG on campus but the lecture was online.
Online education is really the way of the future. Colleges prefer to go that route too because they do not have to pay the cost of maintaining the classroom.
The physician may have completed the majority of his undergrad online and you would never know it. Transcripts rarely differentiate between online and on campus. Starting in 2007, I had taken a few online classes along with on campus classes during high school. Online classes have improved over time. No one would know which class is online versus which class was on campus. The choice to be ethical is the same either way. If a person is going to cheat, then the person is going to cheat in some form.
Options to complete most classes for a variety of degrees online is becoming standard and for good reason. It opens the doors to many people. I wouldn't have been able to start on my BSN if it wasn't for online classes.
If it is accredited, that's all that should really matter. However, even new programs need time to get accredited.
WGU is not as sleazy as WU but it is still not an academically sound program. In fact its a joke.
The GRE weeds out those individuals who do not posess the
intellect to function as nurse practitioners. Univ of walden does require a 2.6 GPA but no experience and no interviews. Not touching me or my family.
Just curious about something: you say that no one possessing these degrees is "touching me or my family". Does that mean that every time a family member is in the presence of a new healthcare provider, you demand to see a CV?
How on earth do you know what every nurse's schooling background is? When a family member is in the hospital, there are often dozens of practitioners involved, from LPNs to RNs to APRNs to MDs, DO's, etc etc. Do you require each to hand in their curriculum vitaes before allowing them to "touch" the patient?
Seems excessive, or else your earlier assertion that they would NOT be allowed to touch them is a pretty clear exaggeration, and loses you some credibility.
And I think I know the response most professionals would have in the face of such a demand, prior to "acceptance" of their care....
Some states do list where MDs and DOs received their education. I thought mine listed the APRNs but it doesn't look like it. I will be honest, I don't know where either of the two RNs I've seen had their certification and I will say that I will not go back to one due to her personality and forcing tests whereas the other one I see often.
I have learned quite a bit. I have a firm understanding of what it takes to manage a business enterprise as well as the ins and outs of our health care delivery system, the various health care delivery systems the world over, and the regulations governing them. I share this because you asked, but please understand that it is rude of you to ask me to justify my education and how I acquired it. What have YOU learned?
Some states do list where MDs and DOs received their education. I thought mine listed the APRNs but it doesn't look like it. I will be honest, I don't know where either of the two RNs I've seen had their certification and I will say that I will not go back to one due to her personality and forcing tests whereas the other one I see often.
You're giving a personal example, personal to you. But it was not at all the point of my post.
The issue was that the OP stated she would not let anyone from any of "those" schools touch her or or family.
So my question STILL is (for the OP): how do you know where all those nurses got their education from? Answer: you don't. Which makes the OPs assertion silly, IMO. You can't take a stand like that ("no one touching me or my family") without some method to determine it.
In all likelihood, someone from THOSE VERY SCHOOLS has, in fact, been involved in a family member's care...unless they simply never get medical care outside the family compound
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WGU does not require the entrance exam for RN to BSN students. Decision was made in mid April i believe.
I did not even have to take it!
Now,I actually passed but i know for sure i failed.
But the enrollment counselor said i passed anyway.
That raised red flags for me.
He could not tell me my score.